unofan
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I've only followed it cause I knew the daughter of the democratic nominee in college.
Last poll I saw her dad was up on Corbett by 15 points or so.
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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
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I've only followed it cause I knew the daughter of the democratic nominee in college.
Last poll I saw her dad was up on Corbett by 15 points or so.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Wow. How is that even possible? Did PA used to have one term limits?
Edit: answer: they had wiggy rules:
Fun fact: Joseph Ritner, the 8th governor of Pennsylvania, won on the Anti-Masonic ticket.
Wow. How is that even possible? Did PA used to have one term limits?
Edit: answer: they had wiggy rules:
Fun fact: Joseph Ritner, the 8th governor of Pennsylvania, won on the Anti-Masonic ticket.
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First, he was delusional in thinking that whatever he could push through at a state level would have significant impact, especially in the short term, on jobs or the economy. At the state level he can cause some immediate harm by cutting 10-15% of the public sector jobs, but any benefit his state will see due to a favorable tax climate will take years, decades to materialize (if ever). He promised a quick recovery from the recession for his state, a promise he had no chance of keeping no matter what policy he dictated. Even if he had gone the opposite way, he would have likely only seen the slow, stilted recovery the rest of us saw.
Second, as other midwestern governors and legislatures before him, he misunderstood or misrepresented the ability of a state like Kansas to draw business and industry to that state.
Tech and internet companies aren't going to locate there. There aren't any shipping ports.
The state runs on agriculture and the public sector jobs that you find in every city and county. To think you could cut 10% of your public sector jobs with the hope that GE relocates there is silly. It doesn't happen.
You get outside of Kansas City and Topeka and the economies revolve around the farms (and their supporting businesses), schools, the courthouses and the municipal offices.
Are there states where ideas like Brownback's might, over the long term, have some chance of producing? Possibly. I think of a state like Michigan which has certain geographical advantages, a certain base level of population and industry. Getting businesses to stay in or relocate to Michigan, over say Ohio, Indiana or Pennsylvania, might have some benefit. But it isn't going to happen in Kansas.
I think he is definitely at fault, and if he gets booted he has no complaints.
First, he was delusional in thinking that whatever he could push through at a state level would have significant impact, especially in the short term, on jobs or the economy. At the state level he can cause some immediate harm by cutting 10-15% of the public sector jobs, but any benefit his state will see due to a favorable tax climate will take years, decades to materialize (if ever). He promised a quick recovery from the recession for his state, a promise he had no chance of keeping no matter what policy he dictated. Even if he had gone the opposite way, he would have likely only seen the slow, stilted recovery the rest of us saw.
Second, as other midwestern governors and legislatures before him, he misunderstood or misrepresented the ability of a state like Kansas to draw business and industry to that state.
Tech and internet companies aren't going to locate there. There aren't any shipping ports.
The state runs on agriculture and the public sector jobs that you find in every city and county. To think you could cut 10% of your public sector jobs with the hope that GE relocates there is silly. It doesn't happen.
You get outside of Kansas City and Topeka and the economies revolve around the farms (and their supporting businesses), schools, the courthouses and the municipal offices.
Are there states where ideas like Brownback's might, over the long term, have some chance of producing? Possibly. I think of a state like Michigan which has certain geographical advantages, a certain base level of population and industry. Getting businesses to stay in or relocate to Michigan, over say Ohio, Indiana or Pennsylvania, might have some benefit. But it isn't going to happen in Kansas.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Interestingly enough those two amendments that the GOP spent so much time on I will never forgive them for. I found the entire thing a complete waste of time, money, and effort when we needed things from our Government that mattered. Issues like those are why I have moved from clearly independent (the 90's) to entirely in the "D" column. Maybe when the GOP comes to its senses I can consider one of their candidates again.
Interestingly enough those two amendments that the GOP spent so much time on I will never forgive them for. I found the entire thing a complete waste of time, money, and effort when we needed things from our Government that mattered. Issues like those are why I have moved from clearly independent (the 90's) to entirely in the "D" column. Maybe when the GOP comes to its senses I can consider one of their candidates again.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
And Alaska is likely going to vote in an Independent for Governor.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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Yeah that was a pretty ridiculous statement by St. Clown...I get his point (which he is right about) but a terrible example because Emmer would have been out in front of the gay rights issue trying to stop it just like Dayton was the other way. (same with voter rights) Big issues like that the Governor can have an effect on.
T-Paw's problem wasnt that he wouldnt cut programs, it was that he wouldn't raise taxes (or his bs fees) because he had aspirations for higher office. He spent like a freshmen in college with a new credit card and no job to pay the bill. His economic policy sucked.
Yeah that was a pretty ridiculous statement by St. Clown...I get his point (which he is right about) but a terrible example because Emmer would have been out in front of the gay rights issue trying to stop it just like Dayton was the other way. (same with voter rights) Big issues like that the Governor can have an effect on.
T-Paw's problem wasnt that he wouldnt cut programs, it was that he wouldn't raise taxes (or his bs fees) because he had aspirations for higher office. He spent like a freshmen in college with a new credit card and no job to pay the bill. His economic policy sucked.
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
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If the GOP had held we would all be screwed. The MNGOP is more messed up than the National GOP. The DFL has a ton of issue (and I am no Dayton supporter) but they are leaps and bounds better than the MNGOP.
If the GOP had held we would all be screwed. The MNGOP is more messed up than the National GOP. The DFL has a ton of issue (and I am no Dayton supporter) but they are leaps and bounds better than the MNGOP.
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I think it was good the amendments were put to a vote. It demonstrated that the GOP was wrong in their opinions on the subjects. It also lead to a really quick resolution of the gay marriage issue in Minnesota. I think it beat going through the process that other states have gone through with passing a statute, someone suing, a bunch of court hearings and finally appeals to the 8th Circuit or Supremes.
I actually think opponents of the amendments, and for that matter the MNGOP, should thank them for it.
I think it was good the amendments were put to a vote. It demonstrated that the GOP was wrong in their opinions on the subjects. It also lead to a really quick resolution of the gay marriage issue in Minnesota. I think it beat going through the process that other states have gone through with passing a statute, someone suing, a bunch of court hearings and finally appeals to the 8th Circuit or Supremes.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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I'm not so sure. If they had passed (and they could have) it would have caused years and years of BS and court shenanigans for years. We got lucky they didn't pass is all because that seems to have put the issues to bed. Although the GOP gets enough people in office again, who knows?
Meanwhile.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/mike-huckabee-threatens-gop-over-marriage
I'm not so sure. If they had passed (and they could have) it would have caused years and years of BS and court shenanigans for years. We got lucky they didn't pass is all because that seems to have put the issues to bed. Although the GOP gets enough people in office again, who knows?
Meanwhile.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/mike-huckabee-threatens-gop-over-marriage
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The issue will have completely faded from memory a decade from now, just like interracial marriage. There will still be a few bigots who privately get all wound up about it, but won't express those opinions to anyone other than someone they absolutely know shares the same opinion. We'll have moved on to the beginnings of the final frontier, plural marriage debates. Since I'm on the downhill side of 50, I fortunately won't have to be around for most of the nonsense.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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One spouse isn't painful enough?
Plural marriage will be interesting. Like you, I'm too old to get it. Polyamorous couples have been around forever, but if gays are 10% of the population, true lifetime polys are like 1%.
I don't see it as a moral issue, and doing laundry every third week sounds appealing. I dunno.
One spouse isn't painful enough?
Plural marriage will be interesting. Like you, I'm too old to get it. Polyamorous couples have been around forever, but if gays are 10% of the population, true lifetime polys are like 1%.
I don't see it as a moral issue, and doing laundry every third week sounds appealing. I dunno.
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One God I can understand. But one wife? It is not civilized, it is not generous.
When there is a huge gender imbalance then poly becomes acceptable and necessary. Until then, I agree with the Pundit of Point of Rocks - small number of the population will practice it.
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When did you start opposing peoples' civil rights?
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Lightened laundry duties isn't enough of an incentive to go in for more than one wife. Think of the dangers, what happens if their cycles start to sync? I'm expecting it would be a synergistic effect and would go from a touchy week every month to a hell week every month. No thanks.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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You'll notice I'm not trying to pass the Criminalize Threesomes Act.
You'll notice I'm not trying to pass the Criminalize Threesomes Act.
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