2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

I just hope that nobody's under the illusion that a smaller force = cheaper force. Hagel's budget is exactly what was expected; he's just choosing to make the known cuts by reducing the number of personnel (read: keeping weapons systems, modernization, tech development, etc).

Yeah, no way we should be doing that.

 

[joecct]

I just hope that nobody's under the illusion that a smaller force = cheaper force. Hagel's budget is exactly what was expected; he's just choosing to make the known cuts by reducing the number of personnel (read: keeping weapons systems, modernization, tech development, etc).

It'll never get by Congress. I'd like to see what SecDef has to say about oversees bases. Is it implied that fewer troops mwan less troops overseas?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

I just hope that nobody's under the illusion that a smaller force = cheaper force. Hagel's budget is exactly what was expected; he's just choosing to make the known cuts by reducing the number of personnel (read: keeping weapons systems, modernization, tech development, etc).

In other words, more lengthy battles over who builds what, leading to more cost overruns. Meanwhile, veterans will continue to have their benefits cut over time.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB124787043032160493

 

[Rover]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Your ignorance in these matters is unsurpassed. As is your supply of lefty bumper stickers.

Hey unofan can you send some of those lefty bumper stickers my way? They're not for me, but I'm going to put them on my ultra-conservative uncle's car next time I see him! Do you have a website?

 

[Rover]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

I hate to interrupt a good whine-fest, but the reduction in defense spending, the biggest govt program out there, has been a hugely positive thing for the budget both today and in the future. I never thought I'd see the Republican party sign on to 1.5T in defense cuts. To their credit they have. Furthermore, the American people in their wisdom defeated a candidate who pledged to spend 2T!!! extra over 10 years on the military, a promise I'm sure he would have kept. Couple that with the merciful end of the Iraq war, and the hopefully soon to happen complete pull out of Afghanistan and that's another 100Bn a year less in spending.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

In your scenario, smoking may not be a zero sum game...but there are many issues that are. A simple example of a zero sum: a government regulation that says you have to shovel your part of the public sidewalk...many libertarians would say don't tell me what to do. In this case, the net result of no shoveled sidewalks in the city is a bad outcome for all residents.

The trick is that libertarians often feel that they themselves are the only one's who get to judge whether their freedoms harm others or not...not the one's who are impacted and therefore, would know for sure. A libertarian might say "I don't walk anywhere so the regulation is more overbearing government with no benefit." And they might well be in the minority on this.

Again, you're either confused or obfuscating what libertarianism is. Most libertarians that I know will say that when you purchase a home in a city, you've agreed to live by the laws of that city and therefore have a responsibility to live by that city's ordinances. We mkae all attempts reasonable to be responsible citizens, and understand that if we want to remove the city requirement of mandating the shoveling of our sidewalks, we're still going to take on such as a task as to not do so could put us - either directly or indirectly through the city - in an actionable situation should something foul befall another person it could create a legally actionable situation by way of negligent behavior creating a hazardous situation.

Libertarians take the point of view that there are a number of very good things in society that should happen, but that doesn't mean they should be government mandated. I give to charity - to local food shelves, the Good Will, Salvation Army, and the Alzheimer's Foundation. While I think it's a good idea, that I find value in such things, that doesn't mean that I want to see government mandate such actions or anything like them. When I speak with libertarians, we're all much in agreement on such things. To be a libertarian is to have faith in your fellow man to act in accordance with what makes a society function.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Again, you're either confused or obfuscating what libertarianism is. Most libertarians that I know will say that when you purchase a home in a city, you've agreed to live by the laws of that city and therefore have a responsibility to live by that city's ordinances. We mkae all attempts reasonable to be responsible citizens, and understand that if we want to remove the city requirement of mandating the shoveling of our sidewalks, we're still going to take on such as a task as to not do so could put us - either directly or indirectly through the city - in an actionable situation should something foul befall another person it could create a legally actionable situation by way of negligent behavior creating a hazardous situation.

Libertarians take the point of view that there are a number of very good things in society that should happen, but that doesn't mean they should be government mandated. I give to charity - to local food shelves, the Good Will, Salvation Army, and the Alzheimer's Foundation. While I think it's a good idea, that I find value in such things, that doesn't mean that I want to see government mandate such actions or anything like them. When I speak with libertarians, we're all much in agreement on such things. To be a libertarian is to have faith in your fellow man to act in accordance with what makes a society function.

Almost every libertarian I've met or read is an unrealistic loon. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. I've had libertarians tell me they're against the Amber Alert system for chrissakes.

Libertarianism is a feel good, self serving ideology that has the benefit of having no chance of ever being implemented, so its apostles are free to come up with whatever $#it they'd like. My favorite it Ayn Rand, a woman who, in her later years, ended up taking Medicare and Social Security. Pretty bad when the queen of your philosophy ends up being a sell-out.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Almost every libertarian I've met or read is an unrealistic loon. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is. I've had libertarians tell me they're against the Amber Alert system for chrissakes.

Libertarianism is a feel good, self serving ideology that has the benefit of having no chance of ever being implemented, so its apostles are free to come up with whatever $#it they'd like. My favorite it Ayn Rand, a woman who, in her later years, ended up taking Medicare and Social Security. Pretty bad when the queen of your philosophy ends up being a sell-out.

The same could be said about you and your Occupy buddies that want the government to dictate everything to them and for certain bureaucrats to have absolute power.

We already know that totalitarianism doesn't work, as per the USSR. We already know that perfect libertarianism doesn't work, as per the USA's transition from the Articles of Confederation. The only way to defeat this is to have autonomous entities set up the system that works best, and for their associated sovereignty to be observed. It's obviously not going to happen in our world today but that sort of armistice is all we can hope for.

 

[unofan]

Hey unofan can you send some of those lefty bumper stickers my way? They're not for me, but I'm going to put them on my ultra-conservative uncle's car next time I see him! Do you have a website?

The second I own a bumper sticker of any kind, you have my permission to put me out of my misery.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Most libertarians that I know will say that when you purchase a home in a city, you've agreed to live by the laws of that city and therefore have a responsibility to live by that city's ordinances. We mkae all attempts reasonable to be responsible citizens, and understand that if we want to remove the city requirement of mandating the shoveling of our sidewalks, we're still going to take on such as a task as to not do so could put us - either directly or indirectly through the city - in an actionable situation should something foul befall another person it could create a legally actionable situation by way of negligent behavior creating a hazardous situation.

Libertarians take the point of view that there are a number of very good things in society that should happen, but that doesn't mean they should be government mandated. I give to charity - to local food shelves, the Good Will, Salvation Army, and the Alzheimer's Foundation. While I think it's a good idea, that I find value in such things, that doesn't mean that I want to see government mandate such actions or anything like them. When I speak with libertarians, we're all much in agreement on such things. To be a libertarian is to have faith in your fellow man to act in accordance with what makes a society function.

It looks like you're claiming I said some things I did not.

Of course libertarians live by the laws of their local city. Pretty much everyone does or they are fined or go to jail. So there's no badge of honor on that one. What matters is what they want in the government/society relationship. By defining a libertarian as someone who wants to do good for society, live by local laws and give to charity...you may be defining yourself, but you are not defining libertarianism.

The net outcome of libertarian influence right, wrong or indifferent is to reduce the impact of government on society and themselves particularly. Again, negative impacts could come to others from their desired policies...but by their nature, libertarians judge impacts on others themselves. If libertarians could accurately judge the outcomes of their policies on others, I would wholeheartedly become one myself. Although quite far from perfect, the government is at least an independent third party.

I don't see libertarians as wrong or bad...I believe that in society as a whole all these types of extremes are to be avoided. Ideally, I see both libertarians and those desiring undue government influence as self balancing. On one side, the governmental third-party remains an independent voice and must show it is unbiased to keep power...whereas libertarians keep governmental influence down where its not needed. Just as with the prosecution and defense in the court system, the side with the best ideas should always win.

 

[busterman62]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Again, you're either confused or obfuscating.........

I think you could probably say this about ALL 5min's posts

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Seems you always have to have children in the room when you start to have a decent discussion.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

I hate to interrupt a good whine-fest, but the reduction in defense spending, the biggest govt program out there, has been a hugely positive thing for the budget both today and in the future. I never thought I'd see the Republican party sign on to 1.5T in defense cuts. To their credit they have. Furthermore, the American people in their wisdom defeated a candidate who pledged to spend 2T!!! extra over 10 years on the military, a promise I'm sure he would have kept. Couple that with the merciful end of the Iraq war, and the hopefully soon to happen complete pull out of Afghanistan and that's another 100Bn a year less in spending.

Dick disagrees.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/dick-cheney-pentagon-budget-food-stamps-103906.html

Former Vice President Dick Cheney on Monday night called the Pentagon budget proposal “absolutely dangerous.”

You should listen to Dick.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Hey Afghanistan, see ya! Although we still want a foot in the door in case our DoD-heavy economy goes bad again... http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21699510/obama-warns-karzai-on-security-deal/

 

[busterman62]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Seems you always have to have children in the room when you start to have a decent discussion.

Maybe you can get one of those kids in the room to help you out a little. Might make some of your posts more comprehendible.

 

[goldy_331]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Seems you always have to have children in the room when you start to have a decent discussion.

Pffft, there are no adults in this room....

 

[Rover]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Hey Afghanistan, see ya! Although we still want a foot in the door in case our DoD-heavy economy goes bad again... http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21699510/obama-warns-karzai-on-security-deal/

Amen. No need to keep propping up a corrupt narco-state. Nothing we need to do there that a few drones can't handle. Either the country can stand on its own or it can't. The US has sacrificed enough.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Amen. No need to keep propping up a corrupt narco-state. Nothing we need to do there that a few drones can't handle. Either the country can stand on its own or it can't. The US has sacrificed enough.

Especially on 9/11

 

[Priceless]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Especially on 9/11

It's so nice to hear that people from outside the northeast are so concerned about 9/11. Would have been more useful when every air force base north of DC was closed, including the only base that launched fighter jets before the second tower was hit, but no one seemed that worried about leaving the entire northeastern US without air cover. But your concern is appreciated.

Of course, I'm not sure what a few extra soldiers would have done to prevent the attacks either.

However, we must not allow history to repeat itself, therefore all aircraft carriers and battleships in the Pacific should abandon Pearl Harbor and move operations back to San Diego.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Word is that Brewer will Veto the Arizona Bill.

In other words, she wimped out.