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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

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Bob Gray said:
I don't think democracy is very highly valued in Iraq, other than if a given group can further their power via democracy. Kinda like the Muslim Brotherhood liked democracy in Egypt as it allowed them to come to power (at least for awhile). Democracy is only as good as the underlying institutions and populace want and allow it to be.
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Poll after poll of middle eastern society shows that the vast majority there want the same things we want. Security, education, healthcare, products/services. The problem is that there is a vicious cycle of poor security, criminal activity and poverty. If each American individual had the same education as those in the middle east and was transported to a society with little security...the same thing would occur. This has nothing to do with desire, but an inability to elevate out of the cycle. Democracy can be the first stage of getting rid of corruption which can help lead to security. If it does or not, we'll see.
 
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This is what I never understand about knuckledraggers. Its like they don't care when their crusades get completely and utterly disproven, not realizing its part of why the GOP has record disapproval ratings and has for quite awhile now. Throwing out accusations that get debunked destroys your credibility with voters, and we aren't making any new crabby old white guys in this country. That's why the average age of a talk radio host's audience keeps getting older, and older...and older.

I like a good smear campaign as much as the next guy, but the trick is to have some small bit of truth in there at the core of your accusations. Have conservatives forgotten everthing Lee Atwater taught them?
 
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Priceless said:
This isn't from the approved list. Please look for a story from hot air, Sludge, Rush Limbaugh's drug-addled brain, faux "news" or the Wall Street Journal editorial page.
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Gurtholfin said:
Can you refute what was written there?
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Gurt, you know as well as I do that the source is all that matters not the content. The bottom line for me is this, after listening to Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Maddow, O'Donnel, Sharpton, Matthews, and Chris Hayes my conclusion on the IRS and Benghazi scandals is that all of it is a bunch of manufactured hot air that is entirely media and Issa driven. Issa is out investigating crap and getting nowhere all the time. He might be the biggest waste of money in government right now.

Ironically the Chris Christie scandal which I highlighted at the beginning of this thread has more legs than I ever dreamed. I thought for sure it would end up in the IRS or Benghazi bucket but it appears to have real legs, teeth, and hair.

All of this and my conclusion are driving Hannity and Rush insane right now and it puts a smile on my face to see the meltdown.
 
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ericredaxe said:
I thought we went in to get rid of all of those weapons of mass destruction they had?
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And they welcomed us as liberators and paid back the war costs out of oil revenue!
 
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ericredaxe said:
I thought we went in to get rid of all of those weapons of mass destruction they had?
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That was certainly part of the situation of course. But, I don't think our approach realistically took into account the limitations of try to impose democracy on a place like Iraq. It'd be great if they all bought into it and sat in a circle holding hands and sang together. But, the history of the Middle East makes such a scenario highly unlikely.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Poll after poll of middle eastern society shows that the vast majority there want the same things we want. Security, education, healthcare, products/services. The problem is that there is a vicious cycle of poor security, criminal activity and poverty. If each American individual had the same education as those in the middle east and was transported to a society with little security...the same thing would occur. This has nothing to do with desire, but an inability to elevate out of the cycle. Democracy can be the first stage of getting rid of corruption which can help lead to security. If it does or not, we'll see.
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Tell that to the Christian community, which is gradually being exterminated/driven out of most Middle Eastern countries. Certainly there is some common ground in the interests of everyday folk, but there are also many obvious differences. If you haven't noticed, the Middle East is not very tolerant, not only toward Christians, but toward basically anyone who believes differently, even different flavors of Islam.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Tell that to the Christian community, which is gradually being exterminated/driven out of most Middle Eastern countries. Certainly there is some common ground in the interests of everyday folk, but there are also many obvious differences. If you haven't noticed, the Middle East is not very tolerant, not only toward Christians, but toward basically anyone who believes differently, even different flavors of Islam.
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Sounds like heaven for some of our "Christians"
 
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Bob Gray said:
Is that a bad attempt at humor?
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No, I'm seriously saying some of our citizens, who pass themselves off as Christians, are equally as intolerant and would fit in perfectly in the middle east.
 
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Priceless said:
No, I'm seriously saying some of our citizens, who pass themselves off as Christians, are equally as intolerant and would fit in perfectly in the middle east.
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Intolerance here generally doesn't come at the end of a gun barrel. To make such a comparison is silly.
 
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Priceless said:
No, I'm seriously saying some of our citizens, who pass themselves off as Christians, are equally as intolerant and would fit in perfectly in the middle east.
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Truth
 
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Bob Gray said:
Intolerance here generally doesn't come at the end of a gun barrel. To make such a comparison is silly.
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Or the end of a rope?

No, we've come so far since then. Now we just lock them up in prison.
 
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ericredaxe said:
I thought we went in to get rid of all of those weapons of mass destruction they had?
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Bob Gray said:
That was certainly part of the situation of course.
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Which "part of the situation" was that? The part that was fabricated and didn't turn out to be true in any way, shape or form?
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Which "part of the situation" was that? The part that was fabricated and didn't turn out to be true in any way, shape or form?
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You can discuss that with those who were commenting on it. Not biting on your trolling today. :p
 
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Bob Gray said:
You can discuss that with those who were commenting on it. Not biting on your trolling today. :p
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So, you admit I'm right.

As per usual, you throw out a baseless claim or criticism and then refuse to back it up.


Who's the troll?
 
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