walrus
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Apparently so, its still Bush's fault. When is Obama going to have a mind of his own? I'll say it for you Scooby seeing as you can't anymore, No Sticky
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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
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Apparently so, its still Bush's fault. When is Obama going to have a mind of his own? I'll say it for you Scooby seeing as you can't anymore, No Sticky
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
I for one think staying over there is a mistake. And many including myself disagree with Obama on the policy. IMO we're right and he's not.
Now were you against going into Iraq from day one...or were you riding with Bush on this one?
I for one think staying over there is a mistake. And many including myself disagree with Obama on the policy. IMO we're right and he's not.
Now were you against going into Iraq from day one...or were you riding with Bush on this one?
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
What is your state bad at??
http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2011/01/24/the-united-states-of-shame-chart/
What is your state bad at??
http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2011/01/24/the-united-states-of-shame-chart/
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Even you should understand that the United States needs to keep all options on the table. To the extent the world's savages plan, that complicates matters for them. Every Saddam Hussein wannabe must consider whether he'll wind up dangling from the end of a rope. Liberals love for America to get involved in foreign entanglements (Darfur for instance) where there are no strategic, economic or political advantages for us. And they reflexively oppose any entanglements in which an American interest is involved. Oil? Balance of power? World economy? Pish tush, these concerns are beneath our dignity. What's really important is for the United States to be a global, nuclear armed UNICEF. In it for the good of man and not any crass concerns about what's good for us.
We should have boots on the ground when and where we think it's necessary to advance our interests. Only the most dedicated, KOOL aid drinking Obamaphile thinks the Middle East is a safer place now than it was before he came on the scene. If you don't want to enforce "red lines," then don't issue any. If you issue "red lines" or "Monroe Doctrines" you must follow up. Being sanctimonious is one thing. Being sanctimonious and gutless is another matter altogether. Do the name Neville Chamberlain ring a bell?
Even you should understand that the United States needs to keep all options on the table. To the extent the world's savages plan, that complicates matters for them. Every Saddam Hussein wannabe must consider whether he'll wind up dangling from the end of a rope. Liberals love for America to get involved in foreign entanglements (Darfur for instance) where there are no strategic, economic or political advantages for us. And they reflexively oppose any entanglements in which an American interest is involved. Oil? Balance of power? World economy? Pish tush, these concerns are beneath our dignity. What's really important is for the United States to be a global, nuclear armed UNICEF. In it for the good of man and not any crass concerns about what's good for us.
We should have boots on the ground when and where we think it's necessary to advance our interests. Only the most dedicated, KOOL aid drinking Obamaphile thinks the Middle East is a safer place now than it was before he came on the scene. If you don't want to enforce "red lines," then don't issue any. If you issue "red lines" or "Monroe Doctrines" you must follow up. Being sanctimonious is one thing. Being sanctimonious and gutless is another matter altogether. Do the name Neville Chamberlain ring a bell?
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Not sure that matters but I think Bush went there to avenge the attempt on his dads life, hardly a good reason
Not sure that matters but I think Bush went there to avenge the attempt on his dads life, hardly a good reason
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Lotta revisionist knuckledragger history out here as they desperately try to run out from under the Iraq war debacle, easily the most unnecessary war fought in the entire history of the USA. A war they all to a person supported wholeheartedly, right up until the election results in 2006 started rolling in.
Were neo-conartists still in charge, we would STILL be in Iraq. So I ask our righty friends, how many more lives and how much more money do you want us to spend in that country before they start being responsible for their own problems? Put up or shut up. I'm sorry if your wet dream of liberal democracy and a country renamed after George W Bush never came true, but its time for you to give up the ghost already. That war was a failure, and the situation over there is their own fault. Clean up your own country or F off.
Regarding Afghanistan, yes the place is far better off thanks to Obama. While the previous administration and subsequent GOP nominees where obsessed with Iraq, Afghanistan got put off to the side. Only when the O showed up did we put an emphasis on defeating the insurgents. Now, like Iraq, they can either solve their own problems or go screw. We've spend enough in lives and money over there, have killed Bin Laden and decimated his terror network which has now moved out of the country, and can drop a few drones on any terrorists that we need to if they start acting up again.
Libya is better of as in Tunisia as both dictators are gone. Its going to be messy but hopefully things will improve internally which has to happen as the US can't impose a govt in these places.
Bottom line is, the last 12 years have shown the utter folly and disasterous consequences of having Republicans in power regarding foreign policy. As you're going to hear often over the next 30 years or so, we can't afford to have "fill in GOP nominee's name here" serving out George W Bush's 3rd term.
Lotta revisionist knuckledragger history out here as they desperately try to run out from under the Iraq war debacle, easily the most unnecessary war fought in the entire history of the USA. A war they all to a person supported wholeheartedly, right up until the election results in 2006 started rolling in.
Were neo-conartists still in charge, we would STILL be in Iraq. So I ask our righty friends, how many more lives and how much more money do you want us to spend in that country before they start being responsible for their own problems? Put up or shut up. I'm sorry if your wet dream of liberal democracy and a country renamed after George W Bush never came true, but its time for you to give up the ghost already. That war was a failure, and the situation over there is their own fault. Clean up your own country or F off.
Regarding Afghanistan, yes the place is far better off thanks to Obama. While the previous administration and subsequent GOP nominees where obsessed with Iraq, Afghanistan got put off to the side. Only when the O showed up did we put an emphasis on defeating the insurgents. Now, like Iraq, they can either solve their own problems or go screw. We've spend enough in lives and money over there, have killed Bin Laden and decimated his terror network which has now moved out of the country, and can drop a few drones on any terrorists that we need to if they start acting up again.
Libya is better of as in Tunisia as both dictators are gone. Its going to be messy but hopefully things will improve internally which has to happen as the US can't impose a govt in these places.
Bottom line is, the last 12 years have shown the utter folly and disasterous consequences of having Republicans in power regarding foreign policy. As you're going to hear often over the next 30 years or so, we can't afford to have "fill in GOP nominee's name here" serving out George W Bush's 3rd term.
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
That red line produced a complete dismantling of Syria's Chemical Weapons arsenal through diplomacy. I'd call that a win win.
That red line produced a complete dismantling of Syria's Chemical Weapons arsenal through diplomacy. I'd call that a win win.
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Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
What fun is that? Diplomacy, Schlipomacy. We should have dropped a few thousand cruise missiles on them then sent in at least 250,000 soldiers to mop up. Plant an American Flag in Damascus and they'll all love us...just as they did in Iraq. Anything less is namby-pamby Neville Chamberlain behavior!
What fun is that? Diplomacy, Schlipomacy. We should have dropped a few thousand cruise missiles on them then sent in at least 250,000 soldiers to mop up. Plant an American Flag in Damascus and they'll all love us...just as they did in Iraq. Anything less is namby-pamby Neville Chamberlain behavior!
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Maybe we can put plastic bags over all the Assad statues and then rename the airport Obama International Airport! That was such a good idea in Iraq, so what's good for the goose as they say...
Also we'll need to install an overlord with a title like "Viceroy" too because it sounds nice.
Maybe we can put plastic bags over all the Assad statues and then rename the airport Obama International Airport! That was such a good idea in Iraq, so what's good for the goose as they say...
Also we'll need to install an overlord with a title like "Viceroy" too because it sounds nice.
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Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
The results that we've seen from this strategy run counter to your assertion.
I'm sure that there's a libtard somewhere at fault though...
The results that we've seen from this strategy run counter to your assertion.
I'm sure that there's a libtard somewhere at fault though...
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I disagree with you here, I think he's right about how to describe the line to draw.
The disconnect is over "when and where we think it's necessary to advance our interests."
Your and my bar for "necessary" is almost certainly a lot higher.
I disagree with you here, I think he's right about how to describe the line to draw.
The disconnect is over "when and where we think it's necessary to advance our interests."
Your and my bar for "necessary" is almost certainly a lot higher.
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
I can think of few situations nowadays where I'd like to see US troops invade a country. The Bosnian model should dictate all future campaigns. Find a friendly army that you can side with against the enemy, and then use superior air power to turn the tide their way. This was somewhat done in Libya as well.
This is essentually the problem in Syria, and to some extent in Iraq. You either have a disorganized opposition or one that includes people not much better than the ones you're trying to get rid of. Those countries you stay out of for the most part except in extreme circumstances.
I can think of few situations nowadays where I'd like to see US troops invade a country. The Bosnian model should dictate all future campaigns. Find a friendly army that you can side with against the enemy, and then use superior air power to turn the tide their way. This was somewhat done in Libya as well.
This is essentually the problem in Syria, and to some extent in Iraq. You either have a disorganized opposition or one that includes people not much better than the ones you're trying to get rid of. Those countries you stay out of for the most part except in extreme circumstances.
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
You mean the weapons that remained after baby Assad used tons of WMD against the rebels, right?
You mean the weapons that remained after baby Assad used tons of WMD against the rebels, right?
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Well, our current SecState, when he was a presidential candidate, allowed that he was "for the war (in Iraq) before he was against it." And Howard Dean had nothing to do with it. If we don't use our military when it's in our interests, when should we?
I guess I should be flattered at your juvenile mewlings about "libtards" and so on, but I'm not. I guess because it's so juvenile and so boring and represents what appears to be a complete inability to offer a coherent argument.
Well, our current SecState, when he was a presidential candidate, allowed that he was "for the war (in Iraq) before he was against it." And Howard Dean had nothing to do with it. If we don't use our military when it's in our interests, when should we?
I guess I should be flattered at your juvenile mewlings about "libtards" and so on, but I'm not. I guess because it's so juvenile and so boring and represents what appears to be a complete inability to offer a coherent argument.
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Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
There you go again...
There you go again...
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
We made some mistakes in Iraq. But the mission, to rid the world of that beast, was a good one. And while Democrats (like the junior senator from Illinois) asserted the war was "over" and we had "lost" and the surge "wouldn't make any difference" Bush proved that strong leadership in the WH can be decisive.
Now we're doing our best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Politically driven withdrawal with no status of forces agreement. A strategy calculated to make it much more likely that AQ and other Islamist pigs can reassert themselves (as they are already doing). It didn't have to end this way.
Lotta revisionist knuckledragger history out here as they desperately try to run out from under the Iraq war debacle, easily the most unnecessary war fought in the entire history of the USA. A war they all to a person supported wholeheartedly, right up until the election results in 2006 started rolling in.
Were neo-conartists still in charge, we would STILL be in Iraq. So I ask our righty friends, how many more lives and how much more money do you want us to spend in that country before they start being responsible for their own problems? Put up or shut up. I'm sorry if your wet dream of liberal democracy and a country renamed after George W Bush never came true, but its time for you to give up the ghost already. That war was a failure, and the situation over there is their own fault. Clean up your own country or F off.
Regarding Afghanistan, yes the place is far better off thanks to Obama. While the previous administration and subsequent GOP nominees where obsessed with Iraq, Afghanistan got put off to the side. Only when the O showed up did we put an emphasis on defeating the insurgents. Now, like Iraq, they can either solve their own problems or go screw. We've spend enough in lives and money over there, have killed Bin Laden and decimated his terror network which has now moved out of the country, and can drop a few drones on any terrorists that we need to if they start acting up again.
Libya is better of as in Tunisia as both dictators are gone. Its going to be messy but hopefully things will improve internally which has to happen as the US can't impose a govt in these places.
Bottom line is, the last 12 years have shown the utter folly and disasterous consequences of having Republicans in power regarding foreign policy. As you're going to hear often over the next 30 years or so, we can't afford to have "fill in GOP nominee's name here" serving out George W Bush's 3rd term.
We made some mistakes in Iraq. But the mission, to rid the world of that beast, was a good one. And while Democrats (like the junior senator from Illinois) asserted the war was "over" and we had "lost" and the surge "wouldn't make any difference" Bush proved that strong leadership in the WH can be decisive.
Now we're doing our best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Politically driven withdrawal with no status of forces agreement. A strategy calculated to make it much more likely that AQ and other Islamist pigs can reassert themselves (as they are already doing). It didn't have to end this way.
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At least Rover makes arguments. Silly, pretentious, historically inaccurate and delusional. But he makes them. You, on the other hand, seem quite satisfied to offer nothing to the conversation except smart a*s wise cracks, designed to keep the folks in the cafeteria giggling. Reflexive disagreement with me isn't an argument. It's a personality disorder.
At least Rover makes arguments. Silly, pretentious, historically inaccurate and delusional. But he makes them. You, on the other hand, seem quite satisfied to offer nothing to the conversation except smart a*s wise cracks, designed to keep the folks in the cafeteria giggling. Reflexive disagreement with me isn't an argument. It's a personality disorder.
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Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Thanks for this, ruined my key board spitting my soda all over it from laughing so hard
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Surely you cannot be serious?
Thanks for this, ruined my key board spitting my soda all over it from laughing so hard
.Surely you cannot be serious?
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