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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

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And now it comes out that Huckabee is a hypocrite.

He supported MANDATING CONTRACEPTION in 2005.

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlo...or-contraception-mandate-before-he-opposed-it

There's no points off for hypocrisy in conservative circles. Call it the Hyde Amendment, named after lead Clinton prosecutor Rep Henry Hyde, who when it was discovered he had been banging another mans' wife while in his 40's he chalked it up to "youthful indiscretions". :D
 
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As the study clearly notes, there is always a lot of interest in this data following mass shootings, interest to try to find a correlation. And as followers of this board know, 5mn Major is an active proponent of the Barney Fife rule of firearms -- one bullet issued per gun.

Yet look at this list of the 25 deadliest mass shootings in this country. http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history-fast-facts/

They aren't occurring in the states with the "weakest" gun control laws.

Appreciate the adult response and its a good catch. Studies that evaluate sophisticated issues like gun violence sometimes require creating an index. Although not critical to the study, I agree that this dimension is a miss. However once given an appropriate weighting...it literally can't sufficiently move the overall needle to change the results.

1. Overall firearm deaths in 2010
2. Overall firearm deaths from 2001 through 2010
3. Firearm homicides in 2010
4. Firearm suicides in 2010
5. Firearm homicides among women from 2001 through 2010
6. Firearm deaths among children ages 0 to 17, from 2001 through 2010
7. Law-enforcement agents feloniously killed with a firearm from 2002 through 2011
8. Aggravated assaults with a firearm in 2011
9. Crime-gun export rates in 2009
10. Percentage of crime guns with a short “time to crime” in 2009

If facts don't matter then why in the hell would any statistical analysis matter?

What is the most common phrase used on this thread?

Facts have a liberal bias.
 
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Appreciate the adult response and its a good catch. Studies that evaluate sophisticated issues like gun violence sometimes require creating an index. Although not critical to the study, I agree that this dimension is a miss. However once given an appropriate weighting...it literally can't sufficiently move the overall needle to change the results.

1. Overall firearm deaths in 2010
2. Overall firearm deaths from 2001 through 2010
3. Firearm homicides in 2010
4. Firearm suicides in 2010
5. Firearm homicides among women from 2001 through 2010
6. Firearm deaths among children ages 0 to 17, from 2001 through 2010
7. Law-enforcement agents feloniously killed with a firearm from 2002 through 2011
8. Aggravated assaults with a firearm in 2011
9. Crime-gun export rates in 2009
10. Percentage of crime guns with a short “time to crime” in 2009



What is the most common phrase used on this thread?

Facts have a liberal bias.

Facts only have a liberal bias if the question being asked has a liberal bias in and of itself. I noticed that this only is counting deaths. Why are you not counting when the person survives? When it comes to assaults, why are you only counting "aggravated"? When you talk about export rates, where, pray tell, do you think they're going and from where? Australia does the exact same thing, they spin the question in order to make it look like gun control is good. Or, they spin what constitutes as each of these. Just like how the unemployment rate is spun by changing the qualification of someone being "in the work force".
 
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Subscribed because (insert lame and ill-received joke about 2nd term abortion here)
 
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If facts don't matter then why in the hell would any statistical analysis matter?
Come on Scooby, you're better than this.
The point that I tried to make is very simple. Statistics can be used to make just about any point you want. It was a simple matter to utilize 5mn's stats to make a completely absurd point. The real problem with his posted paper was that they were using stats (which NO ONE is denying ARE facts........despite being cherry picked) correlating to an opinion (Top ten weakest gun laws) to form a conclusion they and 5mn are trying to pass off as scientific proof. The paper's ranking of "top ten" or "worst ten" is no different than the USCHO.com DI Poll. They're opinions not facts. Saying otherwise is akin to saying the USCHO.com poll is the same as PWR. One can not truly make a statistical analysis when utilizing opinion in place of data. At this point, I don't expect 5mn to understand that but I do think you do.
 
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Come on Scooby, you're better than this.
The point that I tried to make is very simple. Statistics can be used to make just about any point you want. It was a simple matter to utilize 5mn's stats to make a completely absurd point. The real problem with his posted paper was that they were using stats (which NO ONE is denying ARE facts........despite being cherry picked) correlating to an opinion (Top ten weakest gun laws) to form a conclusion they and 5mn are trying to pass off as scientific proof. The paper's ranking of "top ten" or "worst ten" is no different than the USCHO.com DI Poll. They're opinions not facts. Saying otherwise is akin to saying the USCHO.com poll is the same as PWR. One can not truly make a statistical analysis when utilizing opinion in place of data. At this point, I don't expect 5mn to understand that but I do think you do.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I wasn't referring to anything he was saying as being factual. I was making a general comment that facts have no basis in reality anymore and his trying to use whatever (I didn't take stats I guess, but I'm smart enough to know you can do whatever you want with them) statistical analysis he's using is meaningless.

We've all learned the past decade or so watching the global warming (horrible name, by the way) issue that facts have no business in politics. Hell, just look at Mike Huckabee this week. The right is having a fit still (pending legislation in Congress to this day) about the contraception mandate. Yet, Mike Huckabee signed a contraception mandate in 2005. He's probably going to run for President again in 2016 (he'll lose, but that's beside the point), and he'll run part of his campaign around his blathering speech he just gave about the war on women that was sopping wet with hypocrisy.

As for the gun thing. It's irrelevant. If Sandy Hook didn't change a single law at the Federal Level than no event is going to do it.
 
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As others have noted, you can make statistics show just about anything that you want to. As even the authors of the study linked by 5mn Major admit, there are a lot of factors that go into the cause of violence involving firearms, and I think it's both shortsighted, and a bid disingenuous to focus on just one of them.

I will tell you my first reaction when reading about 5mn Major's list of the 10 worst states. I noted that 7 of them were in the deep south, all sharing borders. Then you had Arizona and New Mexico, and finally Alaska.

My initial reaction was people are getting killed, or robbed using firearms, in the deep south because we're talking about probably the most economically limited area of the country. I'm not talking about isolated counties, or even an isolated state like West Virginia. I'm talking about an entire region of the country where there are a lot of people, and there are a lot of people economically hurting. When you combine that with an easy availability of weapons, which we have everywhere in this country, you're going to have problems. Does that mean that guns are the problem? Not necessarily. As Springsteen once wrote, when you have "a hole in your belly and a gun in your hand", there are going to be issues. Limiting assault weapon sales or creating a waiting period doesn't solve those problems.

I have no idea, and no evidence to back this up. But if you ask me why Arizona and New Mexico have a problem, I finger drugs, drugs coming across from Mexico, the illegal immigration problem, cartel violence and how it all ties together. Again, the availability of guns is a factor, but just one factor, and maybe not all that large.

To me, focusing on the mechanical device, guns, in trying to figure out how to curb violent crime, is a little bit like saying the heavy death toll in motorcycle accidents is caused by motorcycles, when we should be looking at what the major causes are.
 
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I wasn't referring to anything he was saying as being factual. I was making a general comment that facts have no basis in reality anymore and his trying to use whatever (I didn't take stats I guess, but I'm smart enough to know you can do whatever you want with them) statistical analysis he's using is meaningless.

We've all learned the past decade or so watching the global warming (horrible name, by the way) issue that facts have no business in politics. Hell, just look at Mike Huckabee this week. The right is having a fit still (pending legislation in Congress to this day) about the contraception mandate. Yet, Mike Huckabee signed a contraception mandate in 2005. He's probably going to run for President again in 2016 (he'll lose, but that's beside the point), and he'll run part of his campaign around his blathering speech he just gave about the war on women that was sopping wet with hypocrisy.

As for the gun thing. It's irrelevant. If Sandy Hook didn't change a single law at the Federal Level than no event is going to do it.

So are you finally admitting that Sandy Hook was fabricated by the government to push gun control? http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress....at-time-of-shooting-adam-lanza-never-existed/ http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/12...rs-more-evidence-of-sandy-hook-massacre-hoax/ http://www.prepperpodcast.com/sandy...ace-strengthens-notion-event-fabricated-hoax/
 
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Flaggy, look towards the ceiling of the room you're in and count the # of little black helicopters circling around your head.
 
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Just as soon as you admit the moon landing was faked, 9/11 was an inside job and George HW Bush killed Kennedy.
 
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How much do you want to bet that the video link is from the Sandy Hook fire muster from 2010?
 
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You don't share these thoughts with your girlfriend, do you?
 
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To paraphrase The Rock - Where, in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE!...do you come up with this stuff?
 
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I wonder if those links could be classified as spam...
 
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I wonder if those links could be classified as spam...

Something that conservative posters on all message boards never understand. People like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levin, etc get paid a lot of money to sound like idiots. To the best of my knowledge Flaggy is being paid nothing to perform this same service, so I'm not sure why cons who aren't being paid to do so are willing to post stupidity in their own name. :confused:
 
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

Something that conservative posters on all message boards never understand. People like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levin, etc get paid a lot of money to sound like idiots. To the best of my knowledge Flaggy is being paid nothing to perform this same service, so I'm not sure why cons who aren't being paid to do so are willing to post stupidity in their own name. :confused:

I'm sure if he comes back to the thread, he'll say he was just kidding or using sarcasm.
 
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