2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

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Meanwhile,in case anyone was still taking Darrell Issa seriously...

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) has a favorite trick: his staff puts together a partial transcript of closed-door testimony, they edit it in a misleading way to advance a far-right narrative, and then they look for a news organization who’ll fall for the scam.

This week, the trick involved Henry Chao, HealthCare.gov’s chief project manager at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and an alleged memo involving security risks. CBS News fell victim to Issa’s swindle, and as was first reported right here on Maddow Blog, the story was quickly proven fraudulent.

At an Oversight Committee hearing yesterday, Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-Va.) questioned Chao on this point directly, made clear that the CBS report was wrong, and saw Chao explain that his words had been “rearranged” by the partial transcript Issa released.

But wait, there’s more.

 

[joecct]

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I'm sure its not, but I would suspect the HHS has a better ability to get regs finalized than a presumably private citizen like yourself (I don't know what you do for a living).

I was a Fed before I retired, though my experience was with USDA, not HHS.

 

[Old Pio]

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Hey, if people are dumb enough to keep paying for Alpo instead of eating hamburger then by all means, let them.

This is the insulting, undistilled libtard view of free citizens freely choosing for themselves. And not choosing "right." Much better for smart-a*s libtards to decide for them.

 

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This is the insulting, undistilled libtard view of free citizens freely choosing for themselves. And not choosing "right." Much better for smart-a*s libtards to decide for them.

Quite the contrary. I'm saying if people are stupid enough to keep paying money for policies that don't actually provide them with any services, by all means let them. That's what you conservatards are always preaching.

 

[Old Pio]

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Quite the contrary. I'm saying if people are stupid enough to keep paying money for policies that don't actually provide them with any services, by all means let them. That's what you conservatards are always preaching.

Your conclusion that people who disagree with you are "stupid" is the issue. As is your preference for coercion instead of persuasion.

You've already demonstrated how high a value you place on your personal ignorance.

 

[Rover]

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This is the insulting, undistilled libtard view of free citizens freely choosing for themselves. And not choosing "right." Much better for smart-a*s libtards to decide for them.

Opie you have a God given right to be stupid, and its one you exercise on a regular basis! Nobody has jailed you for it. However, at some point us smarter people who run things need to stop you from harming yourself and others because we'll end up getting stuck with the bill.

For example, you don't have the right to walk into Wal-Mart and purchase dynamite. That's not because you plan on launching a terrorist attack. Its because you'd probably use it to get the fire started in your fireplace. We, as in society, need to restrict your ability to do something stupid in this case.

Now do you get it?

 

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Your conclusion that people who disagree with you are "stupid" is the issue. As is your preference for coercion instead of persuasion.

You've already demonstrated how high a value you place on your personal ignorance.

That's not true. There are some very intelligent people who disagree with me. People who shell out money for little to no benefit when there are alternatives that are probably cheaper and definitely offer better services are very stupid.

 

[St. Clown]

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That's not true. There are some very intelligent people who disagree with me. People who shell out money for little to no benefit when there are alternatives that are probably cheaper and definitely offer better services are very stupid.

They're not cheaper, other people are simply paying for the increased cost/coverage.

 

[Priceless]

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They're not cheaper, other people are simply paying for the increased cost/coverage.

So...like it is now?

 

[LynahFan]

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So...like it is now?

No question. This is absolutely a situation of whose ox is being gored. Medical care happens, because it is required by law to happen (hospitals can't refuse life-saving treatment). This is entirely a question of 1) who pays for it (i.e. the "fairness" aspect), and 2) how efficiently can we administer the system of collecting those payments (public vs. private, etc).

 

[geezer]

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People who shell out money for little to no benefit when there are alternatives that are probably cheaper and definitely offer better services are very stupid.

This is a popular misconception Obama has put out there to defend the failures he has instituted. The cancelled plans in many cases offered better and more thorough benefits at lower prices for the individuals that held them, but had to be cancelled because they didn't "share the pain" enough, for example if you're a single man the law says you have to support "women's health" benefits whether or not you ever plan to have a sex change. It's exactly like your homeowners insurance tacking on fees to cover flood insurance payouts for idiots that were stupid enough to live on the coast. Plus the "all in one basket" approach gives Obama more control over setting social engineering policy going forward, which at bottom is really the whole aim of the thing.
Bottom line is, don't believe those people are now better off. The only way we'll be better off is if the whole thing disappears forever, which it's too late for now. We're going to pay for this mess for (with?) the rest of our indentured lives.

 

[burd]

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Don't you hate it when you get a song stuck in your head? Lately, I've been hearing those lines from The Boxer:

All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest . . .

 

[Rover]

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This is a popular misconception Obama has put out there to defend the failures he has instituted. The cancelled plans in many cases offered better and more thorough benefits at lower prices for the individuals that held them, but had to be cancelled because they didn't "share the pain" enough, for example if you're a single man the law says you have to support "women's health" benefits whether or not you ever plan to have a sex change. It's exactly like your homeowners insurance tacking on fees to cover flood insurance payouts for idiots that were stupid enough to live on the coast. Plus the "all in one basket" approach gives Obama more control over setting social engineering policy going forward, which at bottom is really the whole aim of the thing.
Bottom line is, don't believe those people are now better off. The only way we'll be better off is if the whole thing disappears forever, which it's too late for now. We're going to pay for this mess for (with?) the rest of our indentured lives.

Are you channelling Flaggy again, and what time do the black helicopters arrive?

 

[Foxton]

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This is a popular misconception Obama has put out there to defend the failures he has instituted. The cancelled plans in many cases offered better and more thorough benefits at lower prices for the individuals that held them, but had to be cancelled because they didn't "share the pain" enough,

Bull****. Please show where all these great but canceled plans are, and not just misleading unvetted stories about how amazing some cheap junk plan was.

Your entire post is just more drivel that shows you really don't understand how insurance works.

 

[Old Pio]

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That's not true. There are some very intelligent people who disagree with me. People who shell out money for little to no benefit when there are alternatives that are probably cheaper and definitely offer better services are very stupid.

I believe that's called doubling down. The critical concept is that you and the rest of the smart-a*ses get to make those decisions.

 

[Old Pio]

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Opie you have a God given right to be stupid, and its one you exercise on a regular basis! Nobody has jailed you for it. However, at some point us smarter people who run things need to stop you from harming yourself and others because we'll end up getting stuck with the bill.

For example, you don't have the right to walk into Wal-Mart and purchase dynamite. That's not because you plan on launching a terrorist attack. Its because you'd probably use it to get the fire started in your fireplace. We, as in society, need to restrict your ability to do something stupid in this case.

Now do you get it?

You and Princess, doubling down on your arrogance.

 

[Priceless]

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I believe that's called doubling down. The critical concept is that you and the rest of the smart-a*ses get to make those decisions.

I can explain this to you but I can't understand it for you. Let me try again. I'm not making decisions for anyone. The individual is free to decide. If they want to continue dining on Alpo that's entirely their decision. I don't want to take away anyone's Alpo. On the other hand, if people would rather not have Alpo anymore, they can choose to eat hamburger for roughly the same price (or maybe even less) as they pay for Alpo. In my opinion, that would be more intelligent and I would recommend that option, but by no means do I want to stop people from eating Alpo if they so desire.

 

[Rover]

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You and Princess, doubling down on your arrogance.

Please Opie. If I doubled my arrogance the planet would explode.

 

[burd]

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It's a little like that scare tactic the far right used years ago, equating a program rewarding the use of Health Care Powers of Attorney (advance directives) to "death squads."

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You and Princess, doubling down on your arrogance.

Is it arrogance if you are in fact better... smarter... prettier?