2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

[walrus]

With Oblahblah the buck stops short of the Oval. Always. Either he's the smartest guy in any room (who has claimed more than once that he knows more than the people who work for him) or he's not. Either he's truthful or he's not. He's on videotape from a couple of years ago talking about knowing that millions of Americans will lose their coverage because of Oblahblah Care. Subsequently he made dozens of statements about "you can keep your plan." Why not apply to him the standard that you've applied to Bush in deciding whether or not he was being truthful? Then report back to us.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...ns-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

He has a d after his name, nothing to see here

 

[burd]

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If he didn't, that's on him, because he should be accountable. But you sounded certain that he lied, and I assumed you were not just being careless with your words.

Or perhaps it was just your subtle way of illustrating what you are claiming Obama did?

With Oblahblah the buck stops short of the Oval. Always. Either he's the smartest guy in any room (who has claimed more than once that he knows more than the people who work for him) or he's not. Either he's truthful or he's not. He's on videotape from a couple of years ago talking about knowing that millions of Americans will lose their coverage because of Oblahblah Care. Subsequently he made dozens of statements about "you can keep your plan." Why not apply to him the standard that you've applied to Bush in deciding whether or not he was being truthful? Then report back to us.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...ns-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Sundowning.

You must be circling the drain to use Bush as your rebuttal.

 

[Priceless]

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Gotta admit, the person behind the Old Priocless screen name isn't who I thought he would be.

 

[Rover]

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Gotta admit, the person behind the Old Priocless screen name isn't who I thought he would be.

Remember the South Park episode where evil Eric Cartman from another dimension showed up, and the boys liked him better than than the real Cartman? Anybody else feel the same way about Old Priocless vs Old Pio?

 

[Priceless]

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Remember the South Park episode where evil Eric Cartman from another dimension showed up, and the boys liked him better than than the real Cartman? Anybody else feel the same way about Old Priocless vs Old Pio?

I don't know. I feel like the joke is played out and this new OP probably ought to stop posting before he is banned and his alter-ego is given a 2-week vacation.

 

[Rover]

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I don't know. I feel like the joke is played out and this new OP probably ought to stop posting before he is banned and his alter-ego is given a 2-week vacation.

Sorry, but I'm sticking with the new version. At least you know he's not being serious. The fact that the original Opie really believes this sh! t is a far more disturbing thought!

 

[Priceless]

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Breaking news from the AP: Obama will allow insurance companies to keep offering those substandard plans if people really want to keep them.

Oh darn, there goes the GOP talking point.

 

[St. Clown]

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Breaking news from the AP: Obama will allow insurance companies to keep offering those substandard plans if people really want to keep them.

Oh darn, there goes the GOP talking point.

Is there to be a law passed or is he just waving his hand to make this problem go away? If it's the latter, we're moving more and more away from being a nation ruled by laws and not by people. And no, it's not just Pres. Obama who has done this, but that doesn't make it any better.

 

[Priceless]

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Is there to be a law passed or is he just waving his hand to make this problem go away? If it's the latter, we're moving more and more away from being a nation ruled by laws and not by people. And no, it's not just Pres. Obama who has done this, but that doesn't make it any better.

I have no idea. It came across the AP wire as a "source says" report. I would assume he'd have to propose legislation. I believe Senator Shaheen has already done it, but I'm not sure. It'll be funny to see how this plays out in Congress. Since it is an Obama plan I imagine the GOP will line up against it

Edit: Here's the story from NPR:

President Obama is expected to announce Thursday that Americans who have had their health insurance plans canceled because of his Affordable Care Act can keep those plans for another year if they wish.

Those cancellations — most effective on Jan. 1 — have sparked intense criticism of the ACA, in part because the president pledged many times that if Americans liked the health plans they had, they wouldn't have to give them up under the terms of his program.

The White House says Obama will make his announcement at 11:45 a.m. ET.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., suggested earlier this morning that "the president's remarks would include a proposal to assuage consumers whose health care plans have been canceled as a result of the Affordable Care Act," NBC News writes.

We'll update this post. NPR.org will also stream the president's remarks, and they will be carried on many NPR stations.

Edit II: I'm seeing on Twitter that this is a fix sponsored by Landrieu (that already has some GOP support)

 

[unofan]

Is there to be a law passed or is he just waving his hand to make this problem go away? If it's the latter, we're moving more and more away from being a nation ruled by laws and not by people. And no, it's not just Pres. Obama who has done this, but that doesn't make it any better.

Administrative regulations are as much a part of the law as statutes. I cite the CFR more than the USC in my work.

 

[St. Clown]

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Administrative regulations are as much a part of the law as statutes. I cite the CFR more than the USC in my work.

It's one thing for administrative regs to be in place in order to execute the law, but when the law states that a specific action will take place in a specific manner on a stated date, and then to have the executive branch to simply state, no now this action shall take place in a different manner and on a different date, it flies in the face of the legislative process. It reeks of the actions taken by tinpot dictators and banana republics.

 

[geezer]

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Breaking news from the AP: Obama will allow insurance companies to keep offering those substandard plans if people really want to keep them.

Oh darn, there goes the GOP talking point.

I'm not sure if I should admit, well done Republicans (gag) and admit their tactics work, or stubborn up and say he should not have folded on the cancellations just because they were whining about it so much. Oh well, at heart they're all the same anyway. The important thing is they finally got him to do the right thing. For now.

 

[Rover]

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I'm not sure if I should admit, well done Republicans (gag) and admit their tactics work, or stubborn up and say he should not have folded on the cancellations just because they were whining about it so much. Oh well, at heart they're all the same anyway. The important thing is they finally got him to do the right thing. For now.

Agreed. The optics on this were terrible and were caused by the troubled website. Better to let some people stay on their old policies and then give them some lead time before they expire at which time they will presumably be able to hit the website and find an alternative.

At the end of the day its probably only a few hundred thousand people that this will effect.

Clown you're making an argument that nobody cares about outside of conservative circles. When GWB was using signing statements to disregard laws he didn't like but had signed, I don't recall hearing too many peeps out of you. Think of this like the crusade known prostitute solicitor David Vitter is on regarding staffers on the exchanges. The law says they must use the exchanges. It says nothing about whether or not the feds can contribute to the cost. As private companies can choose to subsidize their workers insurance, so too can the gubmint without a Congressional Act. Same thing here, and this was settled back during th Louisiana Purchase where Jefferson argued that while nothing in the Constitution allowed for a land purchase by the feds, nothing prevented it either.

 

[SJHovey]

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Breaking news from the AP: Obama will allow insurance companies to keep offering those substandard plans if people really want to keep them.

Oh darn, there goes the GOP talking point.

I would guess it's not going to be that easy.

 

[Rover]

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I would guess it's not going to be that easy.

I'm guessing Priceless is expecting the GOP to F this up. In fact anybody who doesn't think they will hasn't been paying attention the last 20 or so years. Already today The Boner leaked to the press that adopting a delay in cancelling these policies is part of his strategy to repeal the ACA.

Um....far be it from me to give advice to the House GOP, but did anybody in the room whisper to him and say "hey John, we all know what we're trying to do here, but maybe going public with it makes us look like petty idiots with no solutions who are rooting for people to not get insurance?"

 

[joecct]

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I'm guessing Priceless is expecting the GOP to F this up. In fact anybody who doesn't think they will hasn't been paying attention the last 20 or so years. Already today The Boner leaked to the press that adopting a delay in cancelling these policies is part of his strategy to repeal the ACA.

Um....far be it from me to give advice to the House GOP, but did anybody in the room whisper to him and say "hey John, we all know what we're trying to do here, but maybe going public with it makes us look like petty idiots with no solutions who are rooting for people to not get insurance?"

Rover, et al

As others have stated, the implementation of ACA is contained in the Federal Register. HHS is going to have to revise the regs to comply with the President's wishes. That's going to take a while. Those of us who have written stuff to get published in the Federal Register can attest to the level of vetting necessary to get a reg finalized -- it's not trivial.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Obama will only let people keep their cancelled plans for one year? Wow, this just gets more pitiful by the day. Does he think people are gullible enough to not know that this would run out right after the next election? Well, maybe people are.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Rover, et al

As others have stated, the implementation of ACA is contained in the Federal Register. HHS is going to have to revise the regs to comply with the President's wishes. That's going to take a while. Those of us who have written stuff to get published in the Federal Register can attest to the level of vetting necessary to get a reg finalized -- it's not trivial.

Can't he just issue an executive order on this like so many other things he can't get Congress to change, but he changes them unilaterally anyway?

 

[Rover]

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Rover, et al

As others have stated, the implementation of ACA is contained in the Federal Register. HHS is going to have to revise the regs to comply with the President's wishes. That's going to take a while. Those of us who have written stuff to get published in the Federal Register can attest to the level of vetting necessary to get a reg finalized -- it's not trivial.

I'm sure its not, but I would suspect the HHS has a better ability to get regs finalized than a presumably private citizen like yourself (I don't know what you do for a living).

 

[Priceless]

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Hey, if people are dumb enough to keep paying for Alpo instead of eating hamburger then by all means, let them.