2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

[Handyman]

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Did OP accuse me of saying ALL Republicans think that way or something? If he did he needs a new prescription cause I never said anything of the kind.

 

[Priceless]

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Did OP accuse me of saying ALL Republicans think that way or something? If he did he needs a new prescription cause I never said anything of the kind.

No, he claimed that only morons think that way. Apparently an awful lot of Republicans are morons...but we already knew that.

 

[Old Pio]

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In fairness, while it'd be a stretch to say that it's a universal trait among conservatives, I'd wager that pretty much everybody knows someone who is conservative and has openly stated that minorities have a high privilege in our society and that you're better off if you're born a poor black child. (Must be all those times they've seen "The Jerk")

I personally know 5 such idiots who openly subscribe to that philosophy. None of them could be accused of being able to form a well reasoned argument, but I guess I still have more respect for them than your average, whiny Ayn Rand enthusiast.

Like Pauline Kael: "I don't know anybody who voted for Nixon." Nobody could possibly put up "a well reasoned argument" against your titanic intellect. Typical modest libtard smearing. Tell me, you got any black acquaintances who think every time there's some interaction between the cops and some black dude it's always because of race? 'Cause I see those a*sholes on TV every day.

 

[Old Pio]

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No, he claimed that only morons think that way. Apparently an awful lot of Republicans are morons...but we already knew that.

Keep digging. Mr. "I'm an ignorant mule, and proud of it."

 

[Old Pio]

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Did OP accuse me of saying ALL Republicans think that way or something? If he did he needs a new prescription cause I never said anything of the kind.

If that was not your intent (like none of the ladies in the chorale ever smear people they disagree with) then why did you include this mythical person's party affiliation? I'm not responsible for your imprecision. Apparently you don't think you are either.

 

[Old Pio]

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I certainly have heard that. Quite a bit, unfortunately.

It always baffles me coz I've driven by the pockets of poverty that are right here and those people are not exactly living the dream. They live in squalor.

I don't know anyone who has expressed those sentiments. And I wouldn't voluntarily associate with anyone who did. Those sentiments are at the core of contemporary Klan thinking and I categorically reject them. That's not to say that we shouldn't expect better return on our investment of trillions of dollars in anti-poverty programs. Clearly, that's not working.

If you want to see poverty, just go to Window Rock, AZ.

 

[walrus]

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Merkels phone tapped since 2010 and Obama knew?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/27/us-germany-usa-spying-idUSBRE99Q09F20131027

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[Rover]

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There certainly are a lot of crazys involved in mass shootings: Woo Tang Clan at VTU, Aurora,Tuscon & Newtown to mention four. Better mental health care might have stopped all four of those of those shooters. All of them clearly were in la la land, and were known to be nutbars, but nothing definitive was done to get them off the streets. Background checks might have stopped Clan, but the evidence is less convincing in the other cases. Adam Lanza used his mother's perfectly legal AR-15 to commit his atrocity. The kid who shot and killed a teacher and himself earlier this week used a gun from his home.

As I say, background checks might stop a few people from committing a tiny percentage of crimes. But they are no panacea. Especially when the problem I've been pointing out is gang bangers "airing out" somebody's "crib" for belonging to the wrong gang. And your example of domestic shooters, similarly, might preclude a microscopic percentage of those incidents. But with 300 million guns already out there, a really motivated shooter wouldn't find background checks to be much of a hurdle. And your hypothetical is also limited to guys with "a few" TROs against them. What about everyone else?

The leading cause of death for young black men in this country is murder. Murders committed overwhelmingly by other young black men. We can nibble around the edges of this problem 'till the cows come home. But we won't make any significant progress. So by all means let's have background checks. But also let's not kid ourselves about their efficacy.

Lets speak of true rather than pleasant things. I'm talking about random crime. I'm not talking about gangsta's offing other gangsta's. For that, and as you say and as I've said, you need better policing and leadership from the city. Places like NYC for example have brought crime way down, in all neighborhoods not just the wealthy ones. Different crimes are going to need different solutions. I'm not too sure why Chicogoans put up with so much crime, nor why they aren't demanding accountability out of the mayor, city council, etc. In my example, when the murder rate hit triple digits in Boston people wanted to call out the national guard. Maybe there's been a similar outrage in Chi-town but I haven't read about it. Regardless the model for turning around murder rates is out there (Boston, NY, etc). All these cities (Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc) need to start implementing it immediately. If Ray Kelly is out of a job shortly, he should be getting his first phone call the next day from Rahm Emmanual.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Lets speak of true rather than pleasant things. I'm talking about random crime. I'm not talking about gangsta's offing other gangsta's. For that, and as you say and as I've said, you need better policing and leadership from the city. Places like NYC for example have brought crime way down, in all neighborhoods not just the wealthy ones. Different crimes are going to need different solutions. I'm not too sure why Chicogoans put up with so much crime, nor why they aren't demanding accountability out of the mayor, city council, etc. In my example, when the murder rate hit triple digits in Boston people wanted to call out the national guard. Maybe there's been a similar outrage in Chi-town but I haven't read about it. Regardless the model for turning around murder rates is out there (Boston, NY, etc). All these cities (Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc) need to start implementing it immediately. If Ray Kelly is out of a job shortly, he should be getting his first phone call the next day from Rahm Emmanual.

Probably because they think since guns are banned, it's OK. Either that, or it's part of a worldwide plan of population control.

 

[joecct]

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Lets speak of true rather than pleasant things. I'm talking about random crime. I'm not talking about gangsta's offing other gangsta's. For that, and as you say and as I've said, you need better policing and leadership from the city. Places like NYC for example have brought crime way down, in all neighborhoods not just the wealthy ones. Different crimes are going to need different solutions. I'm not too sure why Chicogoans put up with so much crime, nor why they aren't demanding accountability out of the mayor, city council, etc. In my example, when the murder rate hit triple digits in Boston people wanted to call out the national guard. Maybe there's been a similar outrage in Chi-town but I haven't read about it. Regardless the model for turning around murder rates is out there (Boston, NY, etc). All these cities (Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc) need to start implementing it immediately. If Ray Kelly is out of a job shortly, he should be getting his first phone call the next day from Rahm Emmanual.

But the next mayor of NYC may reverse all the gains made by the last two mayors. THAT will not be good for business.

 

[Rover]

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But the next mayor of NYC may reverse all the gains made by the last two mayors. THAT will not be good for business.

Whatever his impulses (dumping the aforementioned Ray Kelly for example) I find it hard to believe the citizens of NYC will accept a return to 70's-80's type urban decay. That ship has already sailed. Above ideology people want competence, especially in cities where the govt is a lot closer to the people. IMHO any city that has gotten a pretty good handle on violent crime will toss their political leadership if they see any backsliding. You get too used to feeling safe, clean streets, etc, and that's a good thing. I can't speak to places where people seem to be numb to a high body count though.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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[pirate]

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But the next mayor of NYC may reverse all the gains made by the last two mayors. THAT will not be good for business.

I'm not as well versed on Chicago geography and crime but if the high crime areas overlap with big tourist attractions, then a city has reason to cut down on crime. The most common example is times square, which went from crime-ridden to tourist-trap. Boston is relatively small so crime has a way of spilling into the public consciousness. If crime in Chicago is contained to the south side and doesn't impact business and tourism to the lake front, then I guess a city could go a longer time 'allowing' the activity.

To your point about business, did NYC reduce crime becasue they wanted to reform n'er-do-wells and have them live better lives or because they realized people weren't coming in to shows because they didn't want their family murdered or businesses were locating to other places?

 

[Old Pio]

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Lets speak of true rather than pleasant things. I'm talking about random crime. I'm not talking about gangsta's offing other gangsta's. For that, and as you say and as I've said, you need better policing and leadership from the city. Places like NYC for example have brought crime way down, in all neighborhoods not just the wealthy ones. Different crimes are going to need different solutions. I'm not too sure why Chicogoans put up with so much crime, nor why they aren't demanding accountability out of the mayor, city council, etc. In my example, when the murder rate hit triple digits in Boston people wanted to call out the national guard. Maybe there's been a similar outrage in Chi-town but I haven't read about it. Regardless the model for turning around murder rates is out there (Boston, NY, etc). All these cities (Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc) need to start implementing it immediately. If Ray Kelly is out of a job shortly, he should be getting his first phone call the next day from Rahm Emmanual.

It isn't "random" when some thugs drive by "airing" out somebody's "crib" and hit a grand mother or grand baby sitting on their stoop instead of the thug(s) they were aiming at? What, then?

 

[Old Pio]

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Whatever his impulses (dumping the aforementioned Ray Kelly for example) I find it hard to believe the citizens of NYC will accept a return to 70's-80's type urban decay. That ship has already sailed. Above ideology people want competence, especially in cities where the govt is a lot closer to the people. IMHO any city that has gotten a pretty good handle on violent crime will toss their political leadership if they see any backsliding. You get too used to feeling safe, clean streets, etc, and that's a good thing. I can't speak to places where people seem to be numb to a high body count though.

Well, we're about to see 'cause New Yorkers are evidently determined to elect this socialist as mayor. And he says he's equally determined to put an end to "stop, question and frisk," which has saved thousands of lives, the overwhelming majority of which are minority.

 

[Rover]

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What sets Chicago, New Orleans, and Miami apart from Detroit, Baltimore, etc is that people actually want to visit and live there. That's the part I don't get. Detroit clearly doesn't have the resources to combat crime effectively. I'm guessing that's the problem with a good deal of run down places. However, these other cities do have the $$$ to get this problem under control. I'm not sure what Chicago's budget is but it has to be substantial. Seems city leaders have a better ability to address the murder rate.

 

[Priceless]

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The House needs more vacation days.

For the first time in months, House Republicans are facing no immediate cataclysmic deadlines, and GOP leaders are struggling to come up with an agenda to fill the 19 legislative days that are left in 2013.

Need evidence? The House votes Monday evening and will finish its work week Wednesday. After that, the House is out of session until Nov. 12. Internally, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and senior Republicans aren’t discussing coming back early from the scheduled recess, but instead, they are wondering if they’ll cancel some of the remaining days in session.

Throughout leadership and the House Republican Conference there’s a sense of bewilderment and confusion about what leadership will move to next. The fiscal fights with President Barack Obama and Senate Democrats have pushed the GOP’s numbers to barrel-scraping lows. And there’s a real sense that Republicans could lose control of the House next year.

 

[Rover]

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The House needs more vacation days.

The Boner needs more time in the tanning booth. He wants to look orange as a pumpkin in time for Halloween.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The Boner needs more time in the tanning booth. He wants to look orange as a pumpkin in time for Halloween.

He also needs more time to figure what it is exactly that the Republicans want.

This Republican has an idea.

A Nevada assemblyman came under fire Monday after a YouTube video surfaced in which he told a Republican gathering he would vote to allow slavery if that is what his constituents wanted him to do.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/n...bring-back-slavery-if-constituents-want-me-to

 

[Rover]

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It amazes me Republicans still think this way. Who in 2013 still questions the morality or legality of freakin' slavery? Yikes.