ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
I assume you're trying to make the point that the vote in 2012 was less pro-Dem mandate and more anti-GOP disdain, but surely both viewpoints lead to the same conclusion in the present situation.
I assume you're trying to make the point that the vote in 2012 was less pro-Dem mandate and more anti-GOP disdain, but surely both viewpoints lead to the same conclusion in the present situation.
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/1379243_10151747047108375_1315580104_n.jpg
Meanwhile, those Communists over at Rasmussen Report peg Obama's approval at 50% which is right where it was when the shutdown started whereas the GOP Congress is now looked on about as favorably as a case of Cholera. Good job GOP!
https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/1379243_10151747047108375_1315580104_n.jpg
Meanwhile, those Communists over at Rasmussen Report peg Obama's approval at 50% which is right where it was when the shutdown started whereas the GOP Congress is now looked on about as favorably as a case of Cholera. Good job GOP!
Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/09/ap-poll-obama-at-37-approval/
AP has him @ 37. Congress @ 5.
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/09/ap-poll-obama-at-37-approval/
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
Yes, but the AP are run by a bunch of liberal hippies and part of the "lamestream media" whereas Rasmussen is practically the official polling arm of the Republican party.
Yes, but the AP are run by a bunch of liberal hippies and part of the "lamestream media" whereas Rasmussen is practically the official polling arm of the Republican party.
I'd give busterman's theory some credence if it weren't for several things:
1) Obama drew over 50% of the vote again. That's a mandate. Furthermore, despite a brutal economy and Hurricane Sandy which may have kept 1M people home, total overall voting was close to the previous election. That wouldn't happen in a lesser of two evils election.
2) Second, the Democratic party gained seats in both the House and the Senate. So, say Romney vs Obama was vote for the guy you dislike the least. For the no mandate theory to be correct, it also would have had to play out in about 468 other federal elections (House + 1/3rd of Senate). I find that hard to believe.
Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
The point is, regardless of whether you're pro-Dem or just anti-GOP, either way you would be anti-shutdown and anti-debt-ceiling-brinksmanship. In the present situation, busterman's statement is a distinction without difference.
The point is, regardless of whether you're pro-Dem or just anti-GOP, either way you would be anti-shutdown and anti-debt-ceiling-brinksmanship. In the present situation, busterman's statement is a distinction without difference.
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
Meet Greg Collet
What no one seems to have noticed is this clown has twice lost in the GOP primary for state legislature and is now considering a run for Congress. Probably so he can get more money for doing nothing.
Meet Greg Collet
KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MEDICARE!
What no one seems to have noticed is this clown has twice lost in the GOP primary for state legislature and is now considering a run for Congress. Probably so he can get more money for doing nothing.
My heart bleeds.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
I wish I could get away with being that much of an indignant jerk after refusing to do my job.
I wish I could get away with being that much of an indignant jerk after refusing to do my job.
busterman62
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
My contention is this. 40% of the country just doesn't give a rat's anus as to who runs the show. 20% are for the R's and 20% for the D's, no matter what. The remaining 20% swing voters decide the elections. Many of those swing voters are single issue voters or "3rd party members" but most, IMO, don't tend to follow politics all that closely. They don't vote on policies, they vote on emotion. Why was it a big deal about Rommney's wealth? Why was it a big deal about Kerry's anti-war stance? Why, if you are correct and 2012 was "mandate for Obama" and his signature piece of legislation, the ACA, do the current polls say most Americans don't want it? Swing voters are a fickle group. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Maybe they DO vote for A because they like him more than B rather than just hating B more. Regardless, few of them are voting for A or B's policies. To say that recent elections are a policy mandate from the people, IMO, borders on delusional.
Correct. The comment was on the phrase "mandate". Most thinking individuals agree that this is an asinine situation they've gotten us into. Arguing over who shoulders more of the blame is akin to arguing who was the greater scourge to humanity, Stalin or Hitler.
Assuming everyone who voted for Obama did so because they felt he was the best man for the job and agreed with his policies, that would mean that 3 out of every 10 eligible voters support his plans. Hardly a mandate of the people.
My contention is this. 40% of the country just doesn't give a rat's anus as to who runs the show. 20% are for the R's and 20% for the D's, no matter what. The remaining 20% swing voters decide the elections. Many of those swing voters are single issue voters or "3rd party members" but most, IMO, don't tend to follow politics all that closely. They don't vote on policies, they vote on emotion. Why was it a big deal about Rommney's wealth? Why was it a big deal about Kerry's anti-war stance? Why, if you are correct and 2012 was "mandate for Obama" and his signature piece of legislation, the ACA, do the current polls say most Americans don't want it? Swing voters are a fickle group. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Maybe they DO vote for A because they like him more than B rather than just hating B more. Regardless, few of them are voting for A or B's policies. To say that recent elections are a policy mandate from the people, IMO, borders on delusional.
Sorry, I don't quite understand your logic here. However, let me ask this. If the D's have this so-called mandate as you say, why is there a greater # of R's in Gov. chairs and statehouses?
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
The Onion sums it up well.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/psychiatrists-deeply-concerned-for-5-of-americans,34163/
The Onion sums it up well.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/psychiatrists-deeply-concerned-for-5-of-americans,34163/
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
buster I think you are way too cynical. Somehow the country always tends to go on, despite repeated predictions of doom right around the corner.
Regarding why there's more Repubs in statehouses, its partly because those people haven't faced re-election yet. In the most recent election voters resoundingly swung one way. Furthermore, voters do have the ability to want their state governed one way (say by righties) but the federal govt run by lefties. For example, lets say foreign policy was your #1 issue. That would be irrelevant in a state race so it shouldn't dictate who you support.
The bottom line is Winning Election = Mandate. That's why we have elections. This is a temporary mandate, as we have elections once again a few years later, but that's how the system works. Well, unless you're The Boner I guess.
buster I think you are way too cynical. Somehow the country always tends to go on, despite repeated predictions of doom right around the corner.
Regarding why there's more Repubs in statehouses, its partly because those people haven't faced re-election yet. In the most recent election voters resoundingly swung one way. Furthermore, voters do have the ability to want their state governed one way (say by righties) but the federal govt run by lefties. For example, lets say foreign policy was your #1 issue. That would be irrelevant in a state race so it shouldn't dictate who you support.
The bottom line is Winning Election = Mandate. That's why we have elections. This is a temporary mandate, as we have elections once again a few years later, but that's how the system works. Well, unless you're The Boner I guess.
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
Things are happening very quickly on Capitol Hill. It seems the House Republicans are in a hurry to pass a 6-week increase to the debt ceiling so they have something in hand when the Senate passes a 6-month increase. No word on what the Republicans will want for this increase...probably Obama's first-born.
Things are happening very quickly on Capitol Hill. It seems the House Republicans are in a hurry to pass a 6-week increase to the debt ceiling so they have something in hand when the Senate passes a 6-month increase. No word on what the Republicans will want for this increase...probably Obama's first-born.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
Oh, good. We get to do this all again in 6 weeks. Maybe by then the Republicans who want to destroy government will decide what parts of it they like (military family benefits, WWII Memorial, Normandy, Medicaid (see Greg Collet below)) and the parts they hate like Obamacare.
What exactly is the difference between Obamacare and Medicaid from a philosophical standpoint anyway? Or Medicare Prescription D which passed with flying colors by the GOP.
Oh, good. We get to do this all again in 6 weeks. Maybe by then the Republicans who want to destroy government will decide what parts of it they like (military family benefits, WWII Memorial, Normandy, Medicaid (see Greg Collet below)) and the parts they hate like Obamacare.
What exactly is the difference between Obamacare and Medicaid from a philosophical standpoint anyway? Or Medicare Prescription D which passed with flying colors by the GOP.
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
Obama. That's why my solution is to call it RomneyCare and it'll pass easily.
Oh, and I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight in the 6-weeks thing. Turns out it's a request from Boner to the House GOP and odds are it will be DOA (and met with mockery behind closed doors). The Senate wants 6-months and the House wants the tide to stop or some such nonsense, so we're still at an impasse.
Obama. That's why my solution is to call it RomneyCare and it'll pass easily.
Oh, and I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight in the 6-weeks thing. Turns out it's a request from Boner to the House GOP and odds are it will be DOA (and met with mockery behind closed doors). The Senate wants 6-months and the House wants the tide to stop or some such nonsense, so we're still at an impasse.
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
It does really come down to that, doesn't it. Our government doesn't work because a Kenyan Muslim is in the White House.
It does really come down to that, doesn't it. Our government doesn't work because a Kenyan Muslim is in the White House.
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
And I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but he's a Negro!
And I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but he's a Negro!
Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
From NBC:
*** GOP doesn’t know what it wants: House Republicans, who have called for President Obama to negotiate, get their wish of sorts when their leaders meet at the White House at 4:35 pm ET. But there’s one problem for them as we enter Day 10 of the shutdown and approach the Oct. 17 deadline for default: Republicans and the conservative movement aren’t sure what they want. Just in the past day and a half, here’s what various factions of the GOP have asked for:
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan penned an op-ed asking for a compromise over entitlements and tax reform, but didn’t mention anything about the president’s health-care law
Hours later, Speaker John Boehner went to the House floor to insist that Obamacare is still on the table
The firm run by the conservative Koch Brothers distanced itself from any effort to defund the health-care law and instead called for Congress to cut government spending, per NBC’s Michael Isikoff
Heritage Action meanwhile, wants to take the debt ceiling off the table and focus instead on Obamacare (even though it has received money from the Koch Brothers)
And then yesterday afternoon, social conservative Ralph Reed asked Boehner to end subsidies for abortion under the health-care law (yes, abortion) as part of any deal to fund the government or raise the debt ceiling.
Confused? We sure are… Not surprisingly, the House GOP conference will meet before this afternoon’s meeting with Obama to try to agree on a path forward. As the Rolling Stones put it, you can’t always get what you want. And that’s especially true when you DON’T KNOW what you want.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/
So I ask our righty poster friends once again, what exactly IS this shutdown about at this point?
From NBC:
*** GOP doesn’t know what it wants: House Republicans, who have called for President Obama to negotiate, get their wish of sorts when their leaders meet at the White House at 4:35 pm ET. But there’s one problem for them as we enter Day 10 of the shutdown and approach the Oct. 17 deadline for default: Republicans and the conservative movement aren’t sure what they want. Just in the past day and a half, here’s what various factions of the GOP have asked for:
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan penned an op-ed asking for a compromise over entitlements and tax reform, but didn’t mention anything about the president’s health-care law
Hours later, Speaker John Boehner went to the House floor to insist that Obamacare is still on the table
The firm run by the conservative Koch Brothers distanced itself from any effort to defund the health-care law and instead called for Congress to cut government spending, per NBC’s Michael Isikoff
Heritage Action meanwhile, wants to take the debt ceiling off the table and focus instead on Obamacare (even though it has received money from the Koch Brothers)
And then yesterday afternoon, social conservative Ralph Reed asked Boehner to end subsidies for abortion under the health-care law (yes, abortion) as part of any deal to fund the government or raise the debt ceiling.
Confused? We sure are… Not surprisingly, the House GOP conference will meet before this afternoon’s meeting with Obama to try to agree on a path forward. As the Rolling Stones put it, you can’t always get what you want. And that’s especially true when you DON’T KNOW what you want.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/
So I ask our righty poster friends once again, what exactly IS this shutdown about at this point?
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House
It's a birther movement. Plain and simple. He's not really the President.
It's a birther movement. Plain and simple. He's not really the President.
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