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2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Which is GOOD. Laws should be based on what the state has the power to restrict people from doing, not whether we personally approve of that behavior. The classic injustice of laws like the gay marriage ban is they elevate "I don't like it" to the status of "the state forbids it."
Which is GOOD. Laws should be based on what the state has the power to restrict people from doing, not whether we personally approve of that behavior. The classic injustice of laws like the gay marriage ban is they elevate "I don't like it" to the status of "the state forbids it."
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
The people at my work feel this way because the gays they met growing up in small hyper-Christian communities were terrified of the pervasive hatred and closeted. This is one of the many social waves that starts in large cosmopolitan cities where you can't avoid meeting all sorts of different people and then meanders down the population density gradient to eventually spill out onto the broad countryside. It's exactly the same as interracial marriage.
In 20 years the people who screech about it today will still be screeching about it. Just like feminism, it will provoke a truly hysterical backlash from the true, hardcore herpa-derps, and they will pass it along to their next generation through their churches and home schools. The best that can be said of that permanent intellectual and moral underclass is it appears to be shrinking, but I doubt it ever drops below 25%.
The people at my work feel this way because the gays they met growing up in small hyper-Christian communities were terrified of the pervasive hatred and closeted. This is one of the many social waves that starts in large cosmopolitan cities where you can't avoid meeting all sorts of different people and then meanders down the population density gradient to eventually spill out onto the broad countryside. It's exactly the same as interracial marriage.
In 20 years the people who screech about it today will still be screeching about it. Just like feminism, it will provoke a truly hysterical backlash from the true, hardcore herpa-derps, and they will pass it along to their next generation through their churches and home schools. The best that can be said of that permanent intellectual and moral underclass is it appears to be shrinking, but I doubt it ever drops below 25%.
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Social welfare spending by state
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/how-much-does-your-state-spend-on-welfare/article/2560160
Social welfare spending by state
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/how-much-does-your-state-spend-on-welfare/article/2560160
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
As you know from past discussions, I'm ok with moderate tax increases, in concert with spending cuts, to balance the federal budget long term. So I'm not sure what you're talking about here?
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
There certainly has been some swing in the judiciary. Maybe not as much as in the general public, but it's certainly there. It's those activist judges!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Easy enough to test.
Those who answered "Engaging in homosexual behavior" with "is morally wrong" dropped from 82% in 1987 to 50% in 2014. I would call a 32% swing significant.
Easy enough to test.
Those who answered "Engaging in homosexual behavior" with "is morally wrong" dropped from 82% in 1987 to 50% in 2014. I would call a 32% swing significant.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Your statement that I was responding to was:
I was pointing out that the GOP's flip flop on the rationale for tax cuts was also epic, and as transparently laughable.
BTW, I agree with you that the Dems on gay marriage was a political flip flop. They happen all the time; this one just happened to be magnified because Obama's "evolution" was so obviously craven. Nobody who graduates with honors from a tier one university is against gay marriage unless they're somewhere over the rainbow in religious fundamentalism. Educated non-fundies who say they are against it are obviously lying for political reasons to appeal to the nightcrawlers back home.
Your statement that I was responding to was:
I was pointing out that the GOP's flip flop on the rationale for tax cuts was also epic, and as transparently laughable.
BTW, I agree with you that the Dems on gay marriage was a political flip flop. They happen all the time; this one just happened to be magnified because Obama's "evolution" was so obviously craven. Nobody who graduates with honors from a tier one university is against gay marriage unless they're somewhere over the rainbow in religious fundamentalism. Educated non-fundies who say they are against it are obviously lying for political reasons to appeal to the nightcrawlers back home.
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The poll shows people now are more on board with pot, homosexuality, living together out of wedlock, drinking alcohol, and looking at porn. Sounds about right. Interestingly, the only one to go the other way is abortion, with 5% more people saying having one is morally wrong.
I'm not sure what that poll is being cited for, as I think we agree that there has been a big swing in public perceptions. Poll is interesting nonetheless, but not surprising.
The poll shows people now are more on board with pot, homosexuality, living together out of wedlock, drinking alcohol, and looking at porn. Sounds about right. Interestingly, the only one to go the other way is abortion, with 5% more people saying having one is morally wrong.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Most people's ethical universe reaches barely beyond the tip of their own nose. If they don't like something then it's "immoral" and should probably be illegal.
Most people's ethical universe reaches barely beyond the tip of their own nose. If they don't like something then it's "immoral" and should probably be illegal.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
I'm citing it in reference to your claim that the gen pop hasn't progressed on this as far as judges. While you may be correct, it isn't as if the average citizen hasn't come a long way too.
I was surprised by the porn number being so high, but I suppose that might be conflating objections from the far right (God is obsessed with your wiener) and the far left (if you jack off to a photo you're oppressing the sisterhood).
I'm citing it in reference to your claim that the gen pop hasn't progressed on this as far as judges. While you may be correct, it isn't as if the average citizen hasn't come a long way too.
I was surprised by the porn number being so high, but I suppose that might be conflating objections from the far right (God is obsessed with your wiener) and the far left (if you jack off to a photo you're oppressing the sisterhood).
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
You misread my post. I said judges had moved, but the public likely more.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Then I absolutely did misread your post. My apologies.
Then I absolutely did misread your post. My apologies.
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
A tip of my hat to you sir. That's more than most do around here. May you and yours have a fine Valentines Day!
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Oh, lookie what itch has behind the curtain... http://thefreethoughtproject.com/90-pounds-cocaine-cargo-ship-owned-anti-drug-senators-family/
Oh, lookie what itch has behind the curtain... http://thefreethoughtproject.com/90-pounds-cocaine-cargo-ship-owned-anti-drug-senators-family/
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
Oh, man I hope the 24 hour news machine runs this into the ground. So much fun.
Oh, man I hope the 24 hour news machine runs this into the ground. So much fun.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck
MSNBC: Runs story 24/7
CNN: Doesn't run it; not a lost plane
Fox: Runs story 24/7, changing name from McConnell to Clinton
MSNBC: Runs story 24/7
CNN: Doesn't run it; not a lost plane
Fox: Runs story 24/7, changing name from McConnell to Clinton
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