As has been expressed here countless times, the number one character flaw is "hypocrisy." I get a little hint of that from time to time from our libtard colleagues. Doubtless I'm imagining it.
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2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha
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As has been expressed here countless times, the number one character flaw is "hypocrisy." I get a little hint of that from time to time from our libtard colleagues. Doubtless I'm imagining it.
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Listen to these two Liberal pansies talk about immigration reform.
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Honorable, decent, family-loving people? Don't build a fence? Path to citizenship? Neither one of those losers is fit to be president.
Listen to these two Liberal pansies talk about immigration reform.
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Honorable, decent, family-loving people? Don't build a fence? Path to citizenship? Neither one of those losers is fit to be president.
It's an open question whether you ever make a serious argument. Or are simply in a never ending campaign to be elected "class wit" in the yearbook. Nevertheless, you a fan of Simpson Mazzoli? You figure it worked out? I think we should be as humane as possible. And that includes, among other things, allowing the children of illegals who have been graduated from high school, to pay in state tuition. Bob Gray and I went 'round and 'round on this one. Both sides are playing politics here. I'm not a fan of the Senate bill. Nor am I entirely happy with the House GOP approach.
In the 80's I interviewed Dr. Donald Huddle, a professor at Rice, who had done some research on this matter of "illegals only take the jobs Americans won't take." Thus suggesting no harm to citizens. He found that not to be the case. If you believe the only jobs illegals can get are as stoop labor in the Salinas Valley, then you'd be right. But that's just an ancient stereotype. For instance, most major American cities have congregating points where illegals make themselves available for contractors. These contractors pay the prevailing wage but don't make any withholdings, so their cost for that labor is lower than for competitors who follow the law, even though both are paying the workers the same hourly wage. There are countless other examples where illegals are gainfully employed, not being taken advantage of economically and potentially depriving citizens of employment.
We should want illegals to become citizens. That would give them the rights and responsibilities of citizenship (unless Democrats get their wish and illegals are allowed to vote). But that desire should also take into consideration those who are following the rules and waiting patiently for their opportunity to become citizens. We shouldn't devalue their efforts in a head long rush to give Democrats what they evidently hope will be a permanent electoral advantage. And it's imperative we take into account the lives led by those we put on "the pathway to citizenship." Plus, we have a moral obligation to improve the integrity of our borders. The United States has the right and duty to control the number of people coming to this country.
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Re: 2nd Term Part 5: Big Brotha
Texas sized ego.
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/13734/brochoice-how-hb2-hurts-texas-men-who-like-women
Texas sized ego.
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/13734/brochoice-how-hb2-hurts-texas-men-who-like-women
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That was parody, right? He can't possibly be serious. Can he? Yeesh.
That was parody, right? He can't possibly be serious. Can he? Yeesh.
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I applaud your viewpoints on the matter. If only the people in the House weren't so afraid of the "path to citizenship" we might have a coherent policy on immigration. Sadly it seems Republicans in the House are only interested in building a fence (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!) and 'self-deportation' (which is a sick joke).
I applaud your viewpoints on the matter. If only the people in the House weren't so afraid of the "path to citizenship" we might have a coherent policy on immigration. Sadly it seems Republicans in the House are only interested in building a fence (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!) and 'self-deportation' (which is a sick joke).
In the main, I favor any policy which increases the number of tax payers and potential jurors. I want it to be a "pathway" and not an expressway.
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DAM YOU MONGORIANS BREAK DOWN MY CHITTY WARR!
How about we take a look at the path to legal citizenship. It involves lengthy paperwork and exams that I bet half of this country's citizens couldn't even pass. It'd certainly be interesting if they were to make everyone, even those grandfathered in by being born here, reapply; we might get rid of the Britney Spears infatuation or whomever the woman of choice is now. That's another argument for another day, though. To think you're going to stop everyone from coming in illegally is insane. How do we improve the path to legal citizenship? What was the path during the Ellis Island run of the early 20th?
As for those already here illegally, obviously the knee-jerk reaction is to do something about them, but what can you do? Require proof of citizenship somehow? At least in this state you already need to provide that for work...
DAM YOU MONGORIANS BREAK DOWN MY CHITTY WARR!
How about we take a look at the path to legal citizenship. It involves lengthy paperwork and exams that I bet half of this country's citizens couldn't even pass. It'd certainly be interesting if they were to make everyone, even those grandfathered in by being born here, reapply; we might get rid of the Britney Spears infatuation or whomever the woman of choice is now. That's another argument for another day, though. To think you're going to stop everyone from coming in illegally is insane. How do we improve the path to legal citizenship? What was the path during the Ellis Island run of the early 20th?
As for those already here illegally, obviously the knee-jerk reaction is to do something about them, but what can you do? Require proof of citizenship somehow? At least in this state you already need to provide that for work...
Opie, in this post you've made sense for half of it and delved into nonsense in the other half. For you, that's a banner day!
Lets get the nonsense out of the way as you seem to be channeling Rep. Steve King (Racist-Iowa). The question that conservatives bring up repeatedly is that passing the Senate bill will give Dems an electoral advantage, and that in itself is reason enough to not do so. Amazing that so-called independent posters like yourself and joecct who NEVER parrot GOP talking points always seem to fall in line behind them.
So, 11M people we're talking about. It'll take at best 13 years to achieve citizenship and vote. Most likely its longer than that. This assumes that 1) everybody becomes citizens (many could just remain permanent residents), 2) all of them register to vote, 3) they have a 100% turnout every year, and 4) they vote in a similar way as the last election (roughly 67/33 for the Dems). Obviously all this is ridiculous and the effect wouldn't be felt for a decade and a half or more and who knows what the politics will look like then.
Illegal immigrants becoming voters won't be the death of the GOP. What will be is the fact that legal Hispanic residents are coming of age and becoming eligible to vote at a much faster clip than the creation of new crabby old white guys. Don't pass the bill and they're gonna know who to blame. Its like this student loan bill. Students know who's holding it up, and these are the very people one would think the party would try to appeal to.
What you are correct about is putting to bed the notion that immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do. I only agree with that premise when it comes to agricultural work and this bill handles those workers separately with temporary visas. Otherwise Americans will do construction, roofing, etc.
So, if I were running things, its pretty simple for current illegals. 1) Anybody who's served in the military is in. Get your discharge and take the oath. No waiting. 2) Anybody with a college degree in an area of need (science, engineering, etc) is now legal and can go through the process of becoming a citizen. 3) Anybody brought here as a kid and with no criminal record gets to stay if they register, start the citizenship process, pay back taxes, etc. If you aren't in these categories you're out of luck although I suspect more than a few will fall into the AG worker pool.
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At least one place in Saratoga County is standing up to the female dog that can't follow protocol: http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/ny-school-dumps-michelle-obama-food-plan-after-kids-complain-of-hunger/
At least one place in Saratoga County is standing up to the female dog that can't follow protocol: http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/ny-school-dumps-michelle-obama-food-plan-after-kids-complain-of-hunger/
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I've often suspected somewhere in OMB or Treasury these numbers are known, and not spoken of, and have some impact on immigration decisions that are made in Washington.
I've always been curious about the tax revenue effect of illegal immigrants. I'm sure there are countless numbers of illegal workers who are paid cash, under the the table and off the tax books. But I've often wondered about those who are using made up or stolen ssn's who then have big packinghouses withhold taxes. Without filing a tax return, there is no refund in the spring, and presumably these workers don't get ss benefits at retirement.
I've often suspected somewhere in OMB or Treasury these numbers are known, and not spoken of, and have some impact on immigration decisions that are made in Washington.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/conservatives-hate-all-legislation-now.html
This is an excellent article about how conservative governing has no practical application in the real world. In this case it relates to immigration and how once again right wing "leaders" have no proposals of their own to tackle the pressing issues of the day.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/conservatives-hate-all-legislation-now.html
This is an excellent article about how conservative governing has no practical application in the real world. In this case it relates to immigration and how once again right wing "leaders" have no proposals of their own to tackle the pressing issues of the day.
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That's just not true. Look at North Carolina and what they've done. Look at Wisconsin. Look at Texas. The GOP has lots of ideas for passing abortion legislation and nothing else.
Still waiting for the Bone Man to pony up on JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's just not true. Look at North Carolina and what they've done. Look at Wisconsin. Look at Texas. The GOP has lots of ideas for passing abortion legislation and nothing else.
Still waiting for the Bone Man to pony up on JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apologies. I wasn't including Talibanesque social issue legislation! My bad.
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Even though this isn't wholly aimed at the Hispanic population, they are the largest targeted group, so I'll add this to your mention of SSN. My company has a lot of data and polls within the various Latin groups, and almost 90% of them do not believe in saving for retirement. Care for the elderly is borne upon the next generation. It's been slowly evolving to a more Americanized view and long-term savings rates have been increasing during the past 20+ years, but it's a very slow evolution. The reason I say this is that in their eyes it somewhat mitigates the SSN concerns many people here would have.
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It does make one wonder about this big evil government they're always railing against, but it's fine when it comes to sticking a magic wand up a woman's coochie. And I had no idea they were so supportive of shutting down businesses through government regulation like they are in Texas. I wonder if they'd support legislation that all gun shops had to be 200 square feet or less to meet regulations.
It does make one wonder about this big evil government they're always railing against, but it's fine when it comes to sticking a magic wand up a woman's coochie. And I had no idea they were so supportive of shutting down businesses through government regulation like they are in Texas. I wonder if they'd support legislation that all gun shops had to be 200 square feet or less to meet regulations.
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Wish I thought of it myself but someone had a great point about Obamacare the other day. It went along the lines of, if Obamacare is sure to be such a unworkable big govt disaster that will never be able to be implemented, why are House Republicans holding 38 votes to repeal it? If its not going to work, why give the Prez an "out" by saving him from his own failure? I'll surpress my laughter now waiting for some USCHO conservative to write that the Republicans only have the public's best interests in mind...
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