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2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, it's that list of countries that makes me less opposed to charging him with "treason" or whatever we call it now.
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Espionage, which is different than treason. I didn't know this until recently, but one can only be tried for treason for acts committed during a time of declared war.
 
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XYZ said:
Espionage, which is different than treason. I didn't know this until recently, but one can only be tried for treason for acts committed during a time of declared war.
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The statute of limitations meant Alger Hiss couldn't be tried for his crimes against the United States. He was convicted of perjuring himself in his suit against Whittaker Chambers and sent to prison.
 
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XYZ said:
Espionage, which is different than treason. I didn't know this until recently, but one can only be tried for treason for acts committed during a time of declared war.
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John Brown was hanged for treason, and the War of Northern Aggression hadn't started yet.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
John Brown was hanged for treason, and the War of Northern Aggression hadn't started yet.
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Trying to find the thing I read last week that went over how the courts have interpreted it over the years. Naturally I'm having no luck at present. Was pretty interesting, but it made it clear that at present it has to be an act committed during time of declared war. Source could be wrong I guess, but it was at a reputable site and not some podunk whackjob looking place. Seemed credible enough, but I ain't no lawyer. Thankfully.
 
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XYZ said:
Espionage, which is different than treason. I didn't know this until recently, but one can only be tried for treason for acts committed during a time of declared war.
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We're at war with Afghanistan. Or something. Doesn't that count? :p
 
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Hey, more good news! Snowden (allegedly) told the Chinese how the US was tracking al Qaeda's money (and subsequently the people who used that cash) and after a decade of using the same methods, al Qaeda has mysteriously changed the way they move money in the past week.

Just a coincidence I'm sure.
 
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XYZ said:
Espionage, which is different than treason. I didn't know this until recently, but one can only be tried for treason for acts committed during a time of declared war.
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Saw an interesting internet poster today that said that espionage is giving secrets to a foreign government. If the secrets are disclosed to the American people, can someone be charged with espionage?

Does that make sense???
 
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joecct said:
Saw an interesting internet poster today that said that espionage is giving secrets to a foreign government.
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And if you read it on the internet, it must be true...

Look, I know legal research isn't a common skill, but is it that hard to Google "U.S. Code espionage"?

"Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation..." 18 U.S.C. s. 793

"Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information..." 18 U.S.C. s. 798

That's a fairly broad catch-all.
 
joecct said:
Saw an interesting internet poster today that said that espionage is giving secrets to a foreign government. If the secrets are disclosed to the American people, can someone be charged with espionage?

Does that make sense???
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No, a foreign entity does not need to be present for one to commit espionage.

Edit: see below. Most commonly it will involve a foreign entity, but as shown in the code it doesn't have to.
 
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joecct said:
Saw an interesting internet poster today that said that espionage is giving secrets to a foreign government. If the secrets are disclosed to the American people, can someone be charged with espionage?
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You think "foreign governments" don't read The Guardian? Disclosing something to the press automatically discloses it to foreign governments. (plus, what unofan said)
 
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LynahFan said:
You think "foreign governments" don't read The Guardian? Disclosing something to the press automatically discloses it to foreign governments. (plus, what unofan said)
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But, am I spying for a foreign government or am I a whistle blower? Does it depend on your point of view??

BTW the poster was Ron Paul
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joecct said:
But, am I spying for a foreign government or am I a whistle blower? Does it depend on your point of view??

BTW the poster was Ron Paul
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His understanding of espionage is wrong. Which is kinda sad since it's his job to know current law and enact new ones...
 
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