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2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

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It's a cold day and I must be in hell...I think I agree with Old Pio.

Does this mean you also have no problem with Big Dick's similar use of the IRS? The problem, of course, is not "scrutinizing people extremely" as you so ignorantly put it. It is "scrutinizg people extremely" who don't agree with Little Dick. And your moral obtuseness and hagiography of "the one" blinds you to that distinction. At least you're not being hypocritical: you think it's appropriate to use the agencies of the federal government to harass, intimidate and punish your enemies. Very nice.
Well that didn't last long.

New scandal:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo.../fox-new-evidence-hillary-killed-lincoln.html
 
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Does this mean you also have no problem with Big Dick's similar use of the IRS? The problem, of course, is not "scrutinizing people extremely" as you so ignorantly put it. It is "scrutinizg people extremely" who don't agree with Little Dick. And your moral obtuseness and hagiography of "the one" blinds you to that distinction. At least you're not being hypocritical: you think it's appropriate to use the agencies of the federal government to harass, intimidate and punish your enemies. Very nice.
Hard to be blind to a distinction I did not make.

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Hard to be blind to a distinction I did not make.

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So your view of the trouble Little Dick's in here results from even handed enforcement of the IRS regs. Seriously? Just ignore the fact that that 5th Amendment taking b*tch, Lois Lerner, admitted they were targeting conservative groups. And that's okay with you? Many on the left, who are not conscienceless political hacks, would beg to differ. And have.
 
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Old enough to recognize reflexive libtard bull sh*t when I read it. Now all the libtard a*sholes on the upper east side will have even more reasons to condescend to our military. And on Memorial Day weekend, yet. These people wouldn't know the difference between an M-16 and an erector set.

A much better way to honor the military clearly is to launch a needless war based on total BS thus costing the country 5,000 lives and 1 trillion dollars? Tell me Opie, how many times did you vote for George W Bush again?

Priceless to answer you question, while the guy is older than the hills, he's not nearly as old as his ideas are. :D


DAMMIT!!!! I was hoping that wouldn't leak out. :mad:
 
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Former GOP Senators are all over the current generation of Republicans.

John Warner 'Concerned' About Republican Party's 'Competitive Strength'

In retirement after 30 years in the U.S. Senate, John W. Warner chooses his words carefully when speaking of the Republican Party.

But he clearly is concerned about the recent tumult in Virginia's GOP.

"The strength of America's political system rests in the strength of having two viable, strong parties in stiff competition," Warner said Thursday in a brief telephone interview from his Washington law firm, Hogan Lovells.

"Today each person has to make up their own mind. I'm concerned about the relative competitive strength of the two parties."

The Virginia GOP has withstood a week of turmoil.

A week ago Saturday, Gov. Bob McDonnell skipped the balloting at the state Republican Convention in Richmond to deliver the commencement address at the University of Virginia's College at Wise.

In a shocker to the party establishment, convention delegates nominated E.W. Jackson, a Chesapeake minister and attorney, for lieutenant governor. Within hours, media outlets reported on Jackson's past incendiary statements, such as when he called gays "sick" and "perverted" and said Planned Parenthood "has been far, far more lethal to black lives than the KKK ever was."

Gubernatorial nominee Ken Cuccinelli on Monday distanced himself from Jackson's past rhetoric.

"We are not going to be defending our running mates' statements, now or in the future," Cuccinelli said in Abingdon during a tour of the state with Jackson and Sen. Mark D. Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg, the nominee for attorney general.

Meanwhile Bob Dole has some words for them as well:

Reagan wouldn't fit in today's GOP

When President Obama says Ronald Reagan would no longer win a Republican primary, as he did in the heat of the 2012 presidential election, Grand Old Partyers are probably not inclined to spend too much time wondering where it all went wrong.

But when a former Republican presidential candidate, Bob Dole, says essentially the same thing on Fox News, as he did Sunday ... well, Grand Old Partyers are probably still not going to get too worked up about it. But it might at least perk their ears a bit more.

The challenges facing the national Republican Party are well known, having been thrown into sharp relief last November. Mr. Obama soundly defeated Republican candidate Mitt Romney among women, minorities, and youth. In a race taking place amid a largely stagnant economy, a president seen as extremely vulnerable won the Electoral College tally, 332 to 206.

It's a far cry from the days when Mr. Reagan won 49 of 50 states in 1984. Back then, there were Reagan Democrats. These days, it seems, there aren't even Bob Dole Republicans.

"Reagan couldn't have made it. Certainly, Nixon couldn't have made it, because he had ideas. We might've made it, but I doubt it," he said on Fox News Sunday.

Not content with saying that the most illustrious Republican leader of the past century would have been run out of his own party today because he had "ideas," Mr. Dole went further.

"They ought to put a sign on the National Committee doors that says 'Closed for repairs,' until New Year's Day next year and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas," he said.
 
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Exactly. Purely from a political standpoint, I have to wonder about the rot that's set into the GOP. It seems the attitude is "party out of the WH always wins big in off year elections so we can nominate just about anybody". Look, historically this is certainly true but we live in a much more partisan country now and the fact is the GOP is at an all time low in popularity. I've watched this happen with the Dems in years past and it never ends well. This slate in Virginia is so horrific it could even get one of the worst political strategists of his generation, Terry MacAuliff, elected which is fine by me as long as it ensures he'll never run another Democratic campaign again.
 
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So your view of the trouble Little Dick's in here results from even handed enforcement of the IRS regs. Seriously? Just ignore the fact that that 5th Amendment taking b*tch, Lois Lerner, admitted they were targeting conservative groups. And that's okay with you? Many on the left, who are not conscienceless political hacks, would beg to differ. And have.
Is Lois Lerner a ***** because she admitted to being bad at math or because she is using her 5th amendment right? You're such a huge fan of the 1st amendment, surely you couldn't decry someone for using the 5th. Or is she a ***** because you can't help but use personal attacks when referring to people you dislike, especially women.

I'm just going to go with yes (because you're going to run off on some wild and ultimately stupid tangent no matter what anyone says) for it being okay to target conservative groups called 'tea party' or started by Glenn Beck applying as social welfare groups who can legally hide their donors. By the way, how many of those groups were denied?
 
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Is Lois Lerner a ***** because she admitted to being bad at math or because she is using her 5th amendment right? You're such a huge fan of the 1st amendment, surely you couldn't decry someone for using the 5th. Or is she a ***** because you can't help but use personal attacks when referring to people you dislike, especially women.

I'm just going to go with yes (because you're going to run off on some wild and ultimately stupid tangent no matter what anyone says) for it being okay to target conservative groups called 'tea party' or started by Glenn Beck applying as social welfare groups who can legally hide their donors. By the way, how many of those groups were denied?

Conscienceless political hackery.
 
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Is Lois Lerner a ***** because she admitted to being bad at math or because she is using her 5th amendment right? You're such a huge fan of the 1st amendment, surely you couldn't decry someone for using the 5th. Or is she a ***** because you can't help but use personal attacks when referring to people you dislike, especially women.

I'm just going to go with yes (because you're going to run off on some wild and ultimately stupid tangent no matter what anyone says) for it being okay to target conservative groups called 'tea party' or started by Glenn Beck applying as social welfare groups who can legally hide their donors. By the way, how many of those groups were denied?

He's not going to answer you. He never actually answers questions, he just attacks a part of your argument and hope you don't notice. Like when I posted earlier about naming military bases after traitors, he attacked me (I guess) by saying the story gave me "the vapors" rather than be stuck having to defend said traitors. Likewise he responded to your post with name-calling and stomping his feet.
 
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He's not going to answer you. He never actually answers questions, he just attacks a part of your argument and hope you don't notice. Like when I posted earlier about naming military bases after traitors, he attacked me (I guess) by saying the story gave me "the vapors" rather than be stuck having to defend said traitors. Likewise he responded to your post with name-calling and stomping his feet.

This drivel from the guy who implicitly suggested moral equivalency between donations by ordinary Americans for disaster relief in Oklahoma and money from Saudi Arabia and Iran. I believe it was Lincoln who talked about "binding up the nation's wounds." A concept obviously foreign to you since, again, you suggest moral equivalency between Robert E. Lee and Osama bin Laden. Why would anyone want to waste time rebutting that farking nonsense? As usual, in both instances, America didn't live up to your expectations.
 
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This drivel from the guy who implicitly suggested moral equivalency between donations by ordinary Americans for disaster relief in Oklahoma and money from Saudi Arabia and Iran. I believe it was Lincoln who talked about "binding up the nation's wounds." A concept obviously foreign to you since, again, you suggest moral equivalency between Robert E. Lee and Osama bin Laden. Why would anyone want to waste time rebutting that farking nonsense? As usual, in both instances, America didn't live up to your expectations.

I wasn't seeking moral equivalence between bin Laden and Lee. Lee killed way more Americans, although at least most of them were in the military. OBL mostly targeted civilians.
 
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I'm just going to go with yes (because you're going to run off on some wild and ultimately stupid tangent no matter what anyone says) for it being okay to target conservative groups called 'tea party' or started by Glenn Beck applying as social welfare groups who can legally hide their donors. By the way, how many of those groups were denied?
Doesn't matter whether they were ultimately denied, just as it doesn't matter that they were scrutinized closely. The problem is that they were scrutinized DIFFERENTLY based on their beliefs, and their approvals were approved on DIFFERENT time scales than other groups. The government simply cannot do that, period. I would be shocked beyond belief if Obama had anything whatsoever to do with this or if he was even aware of this - it has nothing to do with my opinions of the man or the party in the White House.

What if the shoe were on the other foot, and under a Republican administration some IRS official instituted a policy to fast-track approval for conservative groups and put them through LESS scrutiny? If your beliefs are consistent, you shouldn't have any issue with that at all.
 
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You would, having invested exactly zero in a dealership which represents your life's work.

So I should support restricting that automobile sales channel because somebody put some money into a car dealership somewhere? Would it help if we just shut down the internet?
 
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Again, if I were a dealer, let me know when a Tesla vehicle becomes affordable by the average American family and then I'll start worrying about Internet sales.

Tesla can do business this way because they are a fractional part of the auto market, and can't afford to have a dealership in ever major city where there might be a few thousand potential customers. The likes of GM, Ford, and Toyota would never succeed on such a model of building and delivering cars to order, with long wait lists.

All this hoopla is just a bunch of southern Republicans getting their undies in a bunch over those libtard, socalist, ecoterrorist, electric cars from California. ;)
 
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Doesn't matter whether they were ultimately denied, just as it doesn't matter that they were scrutinized closely. The problem is that they were scrutinized DIFFERENTLY based on their beliefs, and their approvals were approved on DIFFERENT time scales than other groups.
It matters in that if this was any kind of purposely done, maliciously inclined action then there would have been at least one that they denied just cause they had to get something done to further their goal of obama fascism. Hanlon's razor, Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The audit findings said that the delay was due to lack of response on how to process potentially political applications.

The government simply cannot do that, period.
In this case, where groups are applying for a specific status for a specific type of group, the government most certainly can scrutinize them based on their beliefs if they contradict the purpose for that status. The audit findings did not have any evidence that the determination unit which said they used 'tea party' as a blanket term for all potentially political groups was approving or disapproving just because of names. They found fault with it because it gave the impression of being less than impartial.

What if the shoe were on the other foot, and under a Republican administration some IRS official instituted a policy to fast-track approval for conservative groups and put them through LESS scrutiny? If your beliefs are consistent, you shouldn't have any issue with that at all.
Well in this new world where something different from what happened was happening, I would find fault with the policy to fast track. I'm not aware of the IRS purposely fast tracking non "tea party" applications.
 
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So I should support restricting that automobile sales channel because somebody put some money into a car dealership somewhere? Would it help if we just shut down the internet?

If it meant depriving ourselves of your pathetic utterances, sign me up.
 
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Doesn't matter whether they were ultimately denied, just as it doesn't matter that they were scrutinized closely. The problem is that they were scrutinized DIFFERENTLY based on their beliefs, and their approvals were approved on DIFFERENT time scales than other groups. The government simply cannot do that, period. I would be shocked beyond belief if Obama had anything whatsoever to do with this or if he was even aware of this - it has nothing to do with my opinions of the man or the party in the White House.

What if the shoe were on the other foot, and under a Republican administration some IRS official instituted a policy to fast-track approval for conservative groups and put them through LESS scrutiny? If your beliefs are consistent, you shouldn't have any issue with that at all.

He doesn't care. He and his hero, Lttle Dick (and the Dickettes) think the ends justify the means. He does, however, reserve the right to scream bloody murder if some future, unspecified Republican administration were to use the same tactics. That would be different.
 
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Well in this new world where something different from what happened was happening, I would find fault with the policy to fast track. I'm not aware of the IRS purposely fast tracking non "tea party" applications.
If beliefs A get through faster than beliefs B, does it really matter whether beliefs B were slowed down or if beliefs A were fast tracked? Those are exactly the same thing: unequal treatment.

Sometimes I do start to think that liberals really are more enlightened and open minded, but then something like this happens and I snap back to reality.
 
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If beliefs A get through faster than beliefs B, does it really matter whether beliefs B were slowed down or if beliefs A were fast tracked? Those are exactly the same thing: unequal treatment.

Sometimes I do start to think that liberals really are more enlightened and open minded, but then something like this happens and I snap back to reality.
Both positions took the same amount of time to get through, position B due to the high volume and political connotations of their titles and goals just made itself a larger target to possibly get audited. Has it been shown at all that every conservative group was instantly audited? Certainly the unequal treatment between conservative groups themselves is something to be outraged about! For what is the difference between tea party and 9/12 but the name and how ****tarded they are?

Your analogy is flawed in assuming that both positions are equal when applying as a social welfare group and not a political organization. The criteria that the low level functionaries put in didn't suddenly appear from a vacuum. It'd be no different if suddenly there were thousands of applications from groups calling themselves "99%". There's plenty of context and real examples of conservative groups as tax exempt organizations being used to funnel unlimited and untraceable money into politics. The very thing they are not supposed to do as one of those organizations and the very thing these IRS agents were supposed to weed out.

May have been posted before but some background on all the stuff they were dealing with.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/u...lear-about-the-rules.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
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