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2nd Term Part 4: Donkeys, Elephants, and Porcupines

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The latest scandal! Witness protection lost 2 terror suspects.

I'd really rather the legislature not focus on political circus issues like these...but rather on the economy, deficit, fixing disfunctions like special interests, etc.

Don't worry, they'll focus on that. They'll wallow us deeper into debt while every is distracted with this. It's just like the internet stuff they were pushing a day or two after Michael Jackson died.
 
nice that you can finally refer to yourself with an accurate self-assessment!

For people who have no partisan stake in the situation one way or the other, it is obvious that the story about a spontaneous protest in response to a youtube video was a deliberate deception. The people closest to the situation immediately described it as an organized terrorist attack. Why was Susan Rice saying anything different than that a week later?

we await for your half-brained answer to that question, which amidst all your bluster has never been adequately answered. Why the deliberate deception spuriously referring to a youtube video six weeks before the election, if on the evening of the attack itself it was described accurately?


I do agree that the Republicans' attempt at high dudgeon is a bit hard to swallow. Both sides look bad here; the Republicans for trivializing something to score points when it is really a lot more serious, and the Democrats for knowingly putting forth information that they knew was untrue.

The Petreaus led-CIA thought it was spontaneous. In fact they put that info into the talking points and never took it out. If you can explain to us how you know more than the CIA did at the time, and you can divulge this info without having to kill any of us, maybe you'd be so kind as to enlighted us? I'm reeeaaallll curious to hear this. One does have to wonder though why Republicans aren't anxious to call the General in to testify again. Surely as a private citizen now he'd be in a good position to blow the cover off this thing! :D

From Time:

The 100 pages of emails about Benghazi released by the White House on Tuesday evening provide a fascinating glimpse at the machinations of national security officials working under stress. The exchanges, which hashed out a set of talking points intended for members of Congress to use a few days after the September 11, 2012, terrorist attack in Libya that killed four Americans, tell us virtually nothing new about the now well-excavated story. But they do underscore a few important points:

No one doubted a demonstration Every version of the talking points–which were first crafted by the CIA–asserted that a demonstration had occurred at the U.S. compound in Benghazi. “We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault” on the U.S. facilities, read the talking points. (Those facilities included a State Department post and a nearby CIA annex.) Throughout two days of exchanges that involved the CIA, FBI, State Department, and White House, no one ever challenged that claim, and that language survived to the end, even as many other phrases were deleted. It’s worth remembering that demonstrations against a notorious anti-Islamic amateur film actually had occurred in 20 other countries, a likely source of the early confusion. That undercuts the charge that the Obama administration ginned up a narrative about a nonexistent demonstration in Benghazi for political purposes–namely, to avoid explaining why al Qaeda-affiliated radicals were killing Americans in a country where the president had intervened militarily with apparent success. It is true that the final talking points were stripped of references to al Qaeda. But there may have been a reason for that. Early in the process, on the afternoon of Friday, September 14, the CIA’s general counsel warned colleagues about “express instruction” from law enforcement officials that “in light of the criminal investigation, we are not to generate statements about who did this.”
 
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It's hilarious. The wholly impartial Weekly Standard looks at the emails released today and concludes that it proves there was a cover-up. Other news sources look at the same emails and conclude they show no cover-up happened.

Wonder which reports the GOP will cite.
 
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It's hilarious. The wholly impartial Weekly Standard looks at the emails released today and concludes that it proves there was a cover-up. Other news sources look at the same emails and conclude they show no cover-up happened.

Wonder which reports the GOP will cite.

Can you imagine how ape**** they would go if Obama actually did something wrong?
 
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Can you imagine how ape**** they would go if Obama actually did something wrong?

I don't quite understand your use of "if." Is today "Hypothesis Contrary to Fact Day" and I missed the announcement?


It's not "if" he did something wrong; it's "how serious was it?" I do tend to agree that the seriousness of deliberately misleading on Benghazi during the campaign is being overdone. Politicians knowingly and deliberately lie during campaigns in order to get elected. Nothing new here. No surprise here either. Spare us the outrage.


The IRS story is different. Deliberately delaying approval of 501(c)(4) status for any entity with certain key words in its name clearly had an effect on their ability to participate in educational opportunities during the 2012 campaign, and it clearly came about as a reaction to the 2010 elections. That one, again, I don't think can reasonably be laid directly on Obama; the Democrat Senators who pressured the IRS to do this probably had a bigger influence, and no doubt many people in the IRS (or any other government agency) have a vested self-interest in suppressing information about limited government which could force them to find work in the private sector.

So you stop trying to whitewash and maintain "nothing" was "wrong" and others can tone down the faux outrage. Both extremes are annoying.
 
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Just like I was told that nothing was wrong with outing a CIA agent, I am going to say nothing is wrong here. All 3 stories are exactly, NOTHING.
 
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Just like I was told that nothing was wrong with outing a CIA agent, I am going to say nothing is wrong here. All 3 stories are exactly, NOTHING.

You're starting to sound like the messiah dictator during his college speech that dissent should be ignored.
 
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You're starting to sound like the messiah dictator during his college speech that dissent should be ignored.

Please explain what people he is saving? And, since when did the Untied States Government become a dictatorship?
 
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Please explain what people he is saving? And, since when did the Untied States Government become a dictatorship?

He's trying to save the American people from the fiery depths of freedom. The US Government became a dictatorship ever since he started employing many czars and pushing through tons of executive orders without Congressional approval (something GWB actually did seek).
 
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He's trying to save the American people from the fiery depths of freedom. The US Government became a dictatorship ever since he started employing many czars and pushing through tons of executive orders without Congressional approval (something GWB actually did seek).

You could have just said "Extra Strength Tinfoil". Same thing.
 
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Just curious, you are a republican and supported Bush?

He's one of those "Independents" who just happened to have voted for GWB in 2004 but mysteriously never supported his policies.
 
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He's one of those "Independents" who just happened to have voted for GWB in 2004 but mysteriously never supported his policies.

Incorrect. I won't repeat the whole story, since you can see it for yourself on the economics thread.
 
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For the 37th time, the House tried to repeal Obama Care. The House of Representatives has now spent more than 15% of its time since it became law trying to repeal it. Good use of time.
 
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