Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
How about acorn? What is your point?
How about acorn? What is your point?
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2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
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Gurtholfin
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
That's definitely your game. Seen it time and time again.
Why participate in a debate if you're never going to actually explain your side?
That's definitely your game. Seen it time and time again.
Why participate in a debate if you're never going to actually explain your side?
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
Just do a search for it. Multiple counts of voter fraud have been found.
Just do a search for it. Multiple counts of voter fraud have been found.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
Two sides have done it. How about in Virginia?
Two sides have done it. How about in Virginia?
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
I think voting requirements should be the same as gun owning requirements. And right now they are exactly the same.
I think voting requirements should be the same as gun owning requirements. And right now they are exactly the same.
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
Not true. Acorn's contractors were paid by the voter to register voters. Some of these contractors made up names to get paid more. There were also instances where two or more contractors signed up the same person resulting in duplicate registrations. These events were discovered when these names were submitted to the local registrars and there is no evidence that any of these false or duplicate names ever voted.
Not true. Acorn's contractors were paid by the voter to register voters. Some of these contractors made up names to get paid more. There were also instances where two or more contractors signed up the same person resulting in duplicate registrations. These events were discovered when these names were submitted to the local registrars and there is no evidence that any of these false or duplicate names ever voted.
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
Who says requiring ID limits opportunity for manipulation? In Minnesota, as Voter ID legislation was written, you could basically use an ID from anywhere. I highly doubt the 75-year-old grandpa at my polling station had any clue what a New Mexico driver's license looked like. You're just needlessly complicating something with a solution that doesn't do much of anything to stop a problem that doesn't really exist.
Who says requiring ID limits opportunity for manipulation? In Minnesota, as Voter ID legislation was written, you could basically use an ID from anywhere. I highly doubt the 75-year-old grandpa at my polling station had any clue what a New Mexico driver's license looked like. You're just needlessly complicating something with a solution that doesn't do much of anything to stop a problem that doesn't really exist.
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
So you're saying that we shouldn't do it because it wouldn't totally close any possibility of fraud? To me you are making a plausable argument for tougher voter ID requirements than I was thinking of. What's the old saying. Something about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Meaning it's better to do something that would reduce the possibility of a problem, rather than doing nothing (as many here seem to support) because it doesn't totally eliminate the possibility of a problem.
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
Just saying, peoples' hyper partisanship often causes them to excuse all sorts of things on their side of an issue. As I've said before, more and more in this country, reaching a given end is what is valued, and whatever means you have to use to get there, people have no qualms.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
Why is it that you don't apply that same line of thinking when it comes to guns?
You know, something that could actually be life or death...
Why is it that you don't apply that same line of thinking when it comes to guns?
You know, something that could actually be life or death...
JF_Gophers
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
So, why does voter ID have to fix something in order to be a valid idea? Why can't it just be an improvement in oversight to a system?
No one would claim our voting system doesn't need improvements (whether its this particular idea or another).
So, why does voter ID have to fix something in order to be a valid idea? Why can't it just be an improvement in oversight to a system?
No one would claim our voting system doesn't need improvements (whether its this particular idea or another).
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
I'm sure his ego is chapped something fierce.
I'm sure his ego is chapped something fierce.
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
I said just a few posts back that I support reasonable background checks. It makes no sense to do background checks if you buy at a store, but not at a gun show.
If you paid an iota of attention, you'd know that I do.
I said just a few posts back that I support reasonable background checks. It makes no sense to do background checks if you buy at a store, but not at a gun show.Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
No, I'm saying the positive benefits, of which there are none in the current scenario, don't outweigh the negative consequences of making it more difficult for people to legally vote.
No, I'm saying the positive benefits, of which there are none in the current scenario, don't outweigh the negative consequences of making it more difficult for people to legally vote.
JF_Gophers
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I assume politicians are always lying.
unofan
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Edit: accidental deletion of my last post. The mobile version of this board stinks.
Because it's sold as a means to combat fraud. Surely you're not suggesting those politicians are lying to drum up the base, are you?
And when you have a high-level state official celebrating that their laws would guarantee a win in his state for a specific presidential candidate, that should likewise be ignored, right?
Voter Id laws are ok in theory. But you cannot ignore the growing mountain of evidence that they are in reality a partisan attempt to win elections.
Because it's sold as a means to combat fraud. Surely you're not suggesting those politicians are lying to drum up the base, are you?
And when you have a high-level state official celebrating that their laws would guarantee a win in his state for a specific presidential candidate, that should likewise be ignored, right?
Voter Id laws are ok in theory. But you cannot ignore the growing mountain of evidence that they are in reality a partisan attempt to win elections.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
It would? How. You mean to tell me I can't fake an ID? Or, are you proposing DNA/Fingerprint checks to vote?
There's always a way to cheat. The gun guys say we can't do background checks cause all it does is punish the folks that follow the law. Same logic applies here as all Voter ID does is punish the folks that play by the rules.
It would? How. You mean to tell me I can't fake an ID? Or, are you proposing DNA/Fingerprint checks to vote?
There's always a way to cheat. The gun guys say we can't do background checks cause all it does is punish the folks that follow the law. Same logic applies here as all Voter ID does is punish the folks that play by the rules.
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
Exactly. That's why the right is pushing so hard for these voter id laws. I knew once it was explained you wouldn't want to disenfranchise tens of thousands of poor and elderly citizens to maybe catch a few crooks who try to commit voter fraud.
Exactly. That's why the right is pushing so hard for these voter id laws. I knew once it was explained you wouldn't want to disenfranchise tens of thousands of poor and elderly citizens to maybe catch a few crooks who try to commit voter fraud.
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
You're telling me that the mainstream media wouldn't be all over this with the parties flipped? Get real.
You're telling me that the mainstream media wouldn't be all over this with the parties flipped? Get real.
Re: 2nd Term - Part 3 - Echo Chambers, Chorales, and Wingnuts, Oh My!
You're welcome. Democrats registering felons is as American as apple pie. Here's an idea, why don't you scrounge around in the trash of some obscure Republican, find something stupid and present it as a big "Tah dah" moment?
You're welcome. Democrats registering felons is as American as apple pie. Here's an idea, why don't you scrounge around in the trash of some obscure Republican, find something stupid and present it as a big "Tah dah" moment?
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