2027 & beyond: Burn it all down and start over

[MichVandal]

Libertarians are libertarians until something hurts them. Then they cry for intervention. Will does that all the time, as recently as his plug in solar video explaining that there’s a code for the systems that is supposed to be met, which is apparently the gold standard.

Somehow they don’t see that regulation exist because companies don’t prioritize anything but making money.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Libertarians are libertarians until something hurts them. Then they cry for intervention. Will does that all the time, as recently as his plug in solar video explaining that there’s a code for the systems that is supposed to be met, which is apparently the gold standard.

Somehow they don’t see that regulation exist because companies don’t prioritize anything but making money.

Libertarians are the worst. They're the ones most interested in continuing and shoring up privatized gains, and socialized losses. A pox on their house.

 

[Kepler]

Here is a man who agrees with the thread title.

 

[Kepler]

Europe views the GOP implosion.

 

[Kepler]

This is good. Stay with it. Lots of interesting information. I knew the very vague outlines but this has lots of density.

 

[Kepler]

Does political violence ever work?

Short answer: yes.

Longer answer: Yes, but there are a whole buncha problems, not the least of which is violence attracts monomaniacal assholes like Lenin who double and triple down and keep increasing scope until they create a machine as vicious as the one they are replacing.

But, under well-scoped circumstances, with SMART goals, and full accountability, yes, sometimes the only way through is to blow it up.

The rulers use violence all the time but either drape it with state power or just go ahead, do it, and then somehow magically never pay. The wealthy either own the actual police or buy their own. Those who try to protect rights will at times have to use the same measures. If for no other reason than to persuade the rulers to deal fairly.

Martin needed Malcolm to make his "non violent" movement work. Likewise, there were really violent insurgencies who operated during Gandhi's protests and legitimized them as a preferable group to deal with, rather than just blowing them off (or murdering them).

I'd say the way you keep it from going off the rails is once your goals are achieved you surrender to the authorities and trial and accept accountability. You say "here's why I did this," and use your prosecution to spread the reasons why you were driven to violence, having been denied other "legitimate" means. "When in the course of human events..." and like that. And, of course, if they decide to shoot you, welp, you take it.

Lenin aint doin' that.

 

[MichVandal]

Here is a man who agrees with the thread title.

He has good points, but the assumption that D's are not going to hold to account, I'm not so sure about that. Many seem to point out that D's are capable of walking and chewing gum- meaning that making affordability legislation and letting r's die on that cross is pretty easy. Planning for investigations and whatnot are in the works. Whether that means we move to Spain, we will just have to see.

BTW, Portugal may be closing it's easy path to citizenship, but there are apparently others who keep it open. We are going the Colonial Spain path, which gives one of us Spanish citizenship in two years with a colonial passport. Then we can go to Finland more often.

I think I will resist before it comes to that, though. r's are not the smartest people in the world. They are good at hurting themselves and keeping liberals with good financials.

 

[aparch]

My project this winter is to deep dive into documenting my family tree from Canada to get the paperwork together for citizenship.