2024 SUNYAC additions ,subtractions and Tomfoolery......

[Russell Jaslow]

Unfortunately, sign of the times! Heenan and his staff were able to get a recruiter to do his dirty work and secured both a forward he lost two years ago when Tio decided Plattsburgh was a much better fit than Utica; and a goalie from the University of Dubuque, Ryan Pios, to replace Ethan Roberts, before they were even in the portal. Some programs can buy players at will; others have to be better sellers of the educational benefits of their universities, hockey programs, and college experience to recruit and retain players.

Last year there was a good article somewhere (The Athletic maybe?) which talked about these backdoor recruiting efforts in all college sports and how it works. Sometimes, the athletes are approached first, sometimes the parents are approached first. Yes, underhanded could be a definition used, but nothing illegal per se. It is the new reality.

 

[bakdraft21]

yup backdoor it, keep your hands clean but your sole, well you know......off topic, when is Utica going D1 or is that a no go?????

 

[OZFEST]

Last year there was a good article somewhere (The Athletic maybe?) which talked about these backdoor recruiting efforts in all college sports and how it works. Sometimes, the athletes are approached first, sometimes the parents are approached first. Yes, underhanded could be a definition used, but nothing illegal per se. It is the new reality.

The schools with active NIL Collectives will be able to secure the best players without having to sell the educational benefits of the university. All the under the table stuff from the past (calling it "financial aid" for example) is out in the open now. Schools with deeper pockets will benefit over the rest of the field. Its already here and happening.

 

[JSicedog]

The schools with active NIL Collectives will be able to secure the best players without having to sell the educational benefits of the university. All the under the table stuff from the past (calling it "financial aid" for example) is out in the open now. Schools with deeper pockets will benefit over the rest of the field. Its already here and happening.

Its D3 hockey. Nobody is collecting NIL money. Nothing more than a few free meals around town.

Here is a crazy thought, maybe the kid wanted to leave the .500 team that barely has a pulse and join a 9-2 top 5 in the country team.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Its D3 hockey. Nobody is collecting NIL money. Nothing more than a few free meals around town.

There are D3 athletes, probably not in hockey, who are getting "decent" NIL money. Certainly more than free meals. Granted, still rare, but not unheard of.

I am waiting for the day a serious D3 school does set up a NIL collective. Just because a school is D3 doesn't mean they are "poor." There are a number of D3 schools (NESCAC, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, etc.) who have huge endowments and some very rich alum who may be more than willing to go all in on a sports collective. And it doesn't even have to be all that large. Just large enough to sway anyone they want to attend their school.

It doesn't even have to be a whole school. A school could "pick" a sport they want to excel in and the local businesses to kick in a fair amount of money. Just look at what Plattsburgh did to have their 1987 championship vacated (sorry, bakdraft, you're still not getting your ring...). Now, imagine that sort of effort now that it's legal, and how much businesses will be willing to kick in now that they don't have to do it under the table.

 

[JSicedog]

There are D3 athletes, probably not in hockey, who are getting "decent" NIL money. Certainly more than free meals. Granted, still rare, but not unheard of.

I am waiting for the day a serious D3 school does set up a NIL collective. Just because a school is D3 doesn't mean they are "poor." There are a number of D3 schools (NESCAC, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, etc.) who have huge endowments and some very rich alum who may be more than willing to go all in on a sports collective. And it doesn't even have to be all that large. Just large enough to sway anyone they want to attend their school.

It doesn't even have to be a whole school. A school could "pick" a sport they want to excel in and the local businesses to kick in a fair amount of money. Just look at what Plattsburgh did to have their 1987 championship vacated (sorry, bakdraft, you're still not getting your ring...). Now, imagine that sort of effort now that it's legal, and how much businesses will be willing to kick in now that they don't have to do it under the table.

Would be curious to hear what you think “decent” is. The top end D1 guys at Michigan, BC, etc., first round picks, aren’t even getting $50k in NIL. I would be surprised if there was a D3 athlete out there who made enough to cover a team dinner.

 

[geneseo]

There are D3 athletes, probably not in hockey, who are getting "decent" NIL money. Certainly more than free meals. Granted, still rare, but not unheard of.

I am waiting for the day a serious D3 school does set up a NIL collective. Just because a school is D3 doesn't mean they are "poor." There are a number of D3 schools (NESCAC, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, etc.) who have huge endowments and some very rich alum who may be more than willing to go all in on a sports collective. And it doesn't even have to be all that large. Just large enough to sway anyone they want to attend their school.

It doesn't even have to be a whole school. A school could "pick" a sport they want to excel in and the local businesses to kick in a fair amount of money. Just look at what Plattsburgh did to have their 1987 championship vacated (sorry, bakdraft, you're still not getting your ring...). Now, imagine that sort of effort now that it's legal, and how much businesses will be willing to kick in now that they don't have to do it under the table.

I would add my doctoral institution -- The University of Chicago -- to the list. HUGE endowment and a top tier DIII athletic program.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Would be curious to hear what you think “decent” is. The top end D1 guys at Michigan, BC, etc., first round picks, aren’t even getting $50k in NIL. I would be surprised if there was a D3 athlete out there who made enough to cover a team dinner.

On the low end of a few thousand dollars. Like I said, just a few. And most of them, the athletes themselves hustle for these deals. They aren't being arranged by the schools. And remember, I said probably not hockey. So take off your hockey blinders. I'm talking football and basketball, most likely.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

On the low end of a few thousand dollars. Like I said, just a few. And most of them, the athletes themselves hustle for these deals. They aren't being arranged by the schools. And remember, I said probably not hockey. So take off your hockey blinders. I'm talking football and basketball, most likely.

From Business Insider: Jack Betts from Amherst football, "He had earned about $6,000 in combined money and merchandise in the first seven months since he started signing NIL deals." "He has secured 35 endorsement deals in 2022, most of which he found by contacting brands on his own." They were using him as a D3 example amongst a general article (the same article talks about a D2 HBCU basketball player earning about $4,000/month).

The average NIL deal for a D3 athlete is $309 a year. So, in the range you are talking about. Of course, I was never claiming otherwise, just that there are a few D3 athletes who can and have gotten a few thousand. One article stated a D3 athlete can be just as marketable as a D1 athlete depending on his circumstances, the school, and city he is in.

Interestingly, the average NIL deal for a D1 athlete is only $2,000+. But that is average. Most of the big time NIL money is going to the top percent in just two sports. So everyone else in every other sport pulls that average down quite a bit.

 

[OZFEST]

Its D3 hockey. Nobody is collecting NIL money. Nothing more than a few free meals around town.

Here is a crazy thought, maybe the kid wanted to leave the .500 team that barely has a pulse and join a 9-2 top 5 in the country team.

More like the collection plate was passed in Utica for his "financial aid" because Platty is so darned expensive. As Russell pointed out with the 1987 championship, been going on for years in most contending programs. Anyone remember Neumann's run about 10 years ago? That was magic. NYS schools and the financial aid programs for Canadian players about the same time before they were called out? But hey as long we are winning....

 

[JSicedog]

From Business Insider: Jack Betts from Amherst football, "He had earned about $6,000 in combined money and merchandise in the first seven months since he started signing NIL deals." "He has secured 35 endorsement deals in 2022, most of which he found by contacting brands on his own." They were using him as a D3 example amongst a general article (the same article talks about a D2 HBCU basketball player earning about $4,000/month).

The average NIL deal for a D3 athlete is $309 a year. So, in the range you are talking about. Of course, I was never claiming otherwise, just that there are a few D3 athletes who can and have gotten a few thousand. One article stated a D3 athlete can be just as marketable as a D1 athlete depending on his circumstances, the school, and city he is in.

Interestingly, the average NIL deal for a D1 athlete is only $2,000+. But that is average. Most of the big time NIL money is going to the top percent in just two sports. So everyone else in every other sport pulls that average down quite a bit.

That is exactly my point, it is peanuts. NIL money from the school collective at the D3 level isn’t significant enough to sway a kid from School A to School B. Never will be.

In Jack Betts’ case, it sounds like he would have made that money whether he Amherst or Westfield State. That is self made money he capitalizes on. There are D3 athletes, even D3 hockey players, that make more that from Youtube and Tik Tok. “The Hockey Guys” are a group that started at Wisconsin Superior who have 1.5 million followers on Tik Tok now. If they were able to capitalize while they were at Superior, you are talking a couple thousand $ every time they post.

 

[geneseo]

From Business Insider: Jack Betts from Amherst football, "He had earned about $6,000 in combined money and merchandise in the first seven months since he started signing NIL deals." "He has secured 35 endorsement deals in 2022, most of which he found by contacting brands on his own." They were using him as a D3 example amongst a general article (the same article talks about a D2 HBCU basketball player earning about $4,000/month).

The average NIL deal for a D3 athlete is $309 a year. So, in the range you are talking about. Of course, I was never claiming otherwise, just that there are a few D3 athletes who can and have gotten a few thousand. One article stated a D3 athlete can be just as marketable as a D1 athlete depending on his circumstances, the school, and city he is in.

Interestingly, the average NIL deal for a D1 athlete is only $2,000+. But that is average. Most of the big time NIL money is going to the top percent in just two sports. So everyone else in every other sport pulls that average down quite a bit.

I've seen relatively little interest at Geneseo, even among our more high-profile athletes (many of whom are majoring in Business). It's not like they plan to build a NIL resume as potential career athletes.

 

[bakdraft21]

There are D3 athletes, probably not in hockey, who are getting "decent" NIL money. Certainly more than free meals. Granted, still rare, but not unheard of.

I am waiting for the day a serious D3 school does set up a NIL collective. Just because a school is D3 doesn't mean they are "poor." There are a number of D3 schools (NESCAC, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, etc.) who have huge endowments and some very rich alum who may be more than willing to go all in on a sports collective. And it doesn't even have to be all that large. Just large enough to sway anyone they want to attend their school.

It doesn't even have to be a whole school. A school could "pick" a sport they want to excel in and the local businesses to kick in a fair amount of money. Just look at what Plattsburgh did to have their 1987 championship vacated (sorry, bakdraft, you're still not getting your ring...). Now, imagine that sort of effort now that it's legal, and how much businesses will be willing to kick in now that they don't have to do it under the table.

I check the mail everyday and yes Russell...No ring

 

[WCHornet]

Its D3 hockey. Nobody is collecting NIL money. Nothing more than a few free meals around town.

Here is a crazy thought, maybe the kid wanted to leave the .500 team that barely has a pulse and join a 9-2 top 5 in the country team.

The main violation that cost Plattsburgh the 87 Championship

 

[Russell Jaslow]

The main violation that cost Plattsburgh the 87 Championship

I think the free housing was a much more serious violation...

And the free tickets and trips to the Montreal Canadians home games.

 

[Lord_Zubin]

Surely that all stopped right then and there and did not continue after the ncaa's punishment (Oswego blueline club has probably committed similar infractions numerous times)

 

[bakdraft21]

Surely that all stopped right then and there and did not continue after the ncaa's punishment (Oswego blueline club has probably committed similar infractions numerous times)

hmm as a longtime member and contributor to the Blueline Club,one of the best booster clubs in D3,I have yet to see any of that....Let's Go Lakers!!!

 

[ColdInRomney]

Surely that all stopped right then and there and did not continue after the ncaa's punishment (Oswego blueline club has probably committed similar infractions numerous times)

Post your evidence or shut up doing internet speculation. Dipshi#.

 

[Lord_Zubin]

None needed its all probability. ur telling me out of all the hundreds of players and blueline club members from the past 50 years every single one of them followed the rules to the tee and not one single person never slipped a guy 20$ for whatever or helped cover rent for a month? All the big traditional programs have probably done it multiple times. Norwich,Stevens Point, RIT back in the day heck Nubs is probably helped half the St Norbert hockey team pass their english classes with all those big words he likes to use. Doesnt matter much now anyway theyre allowed to be paid and if the NCAA wants to waste their time and money on an investigation on some old d3 hockey teams while being sued every day be my guest. Honestly why dont we pay players now is the better question if we have so much town/alumni support lets use it someone has to stop those guys down in Geneva.

 

[lakont55]

Surely that all stopped right then and there and did not continue after the ncaa's punishment (Oswego blueline club has probably committed similar infractions numerous times)

Ok so you are stating the Oswego Blueline Club has committed similar infractions? What were the infractions and who are you