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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

Kepler said:
The deep, dark secret of the "Sixties" is the engaged students were a small minority. The vast middle was just aping the trendy look to be popular or get laid.
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That tracks with a couple of my distant relatives who were hippies in their day. Then they got jobs, found Jesus, and started voting Republican in the 80s, but still smoke pot to satisfy their libertarian "rebel" streak.
 
I know a lot of people who were activists in the 60s and early 70s and who continue to be politically active. They aren't occupying college buildings or spending nights in jail, but they are putting in considerable time on mailings, phone banks, public meetings, editorials, etc. They are well educated, generally, but otherwise regular people who happened to believe in liberal causes then and continue to believe in them now.
 
mookie1995 said:
so far these are state trials, right? Not federal?

if a federal Biden would be wise to pardon him :cool:
get a speech written how like ford and Nixon, it was for the best of the nation and while trump was balls down guilty, let’s move ahead
of course do it in a heavily democratic state so when trump sues for libel they have the trial there and the burden is less (see OJ ;))
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No...and again no. If Trump agreed to never run again (or anyone in his circle) maybe but otherwise never. His that doesn't end with a pardon.
 
Of course Drew would think Boris Johnson is someone to be listened to.

Really Drew, just how stupid are you? On a scale of 1-10?
 
Drew gets 4 responses in just over two hours. Major woodie for him, even though they are insults. To think he used to sit in the front half of the classroom, puzzling fiercely to understand what the teacher was saying.
 
So, Dr. Mrs. and I were talking about if the polls move at all. I started from the assumption that no, they don't. If you are what you are such that you can still support The Convict then literally nothing can deprogram you. You are there for psychological reasons.

Dr. Mrs. said yes, fine, but the cult is at most 90% of his voters. There are "undecideds" in the sense of people who are still voting for him on what they think are the issues. They think the economy sucks even though it is far stronger than it was under The Convict, and also a far quicker recovery than any other major western democracy after the global inflation spike. They think, somehow, that The Convict is better for the economy because "businessman" or "the Dems are Marxists" or the usual pre-Dump derp Republican voter stuff. And that got me thinking.

Obviously, the Drews and Chucks aren't changing their minds re: The Convict. They can't; they have everything invested in supporting a traitorous criminal fool, and if they ever were to realize that it implies things about themselves they can never face. However, there are people like them among the Dumpies and then there are also the vicious, January 6th gun-humping types. The latter are going to be far more radicalized as each day not just The Convict but the entire GOP keeps delegitimizing all our institutions from the DOJ to state courts to our elections. Those latter are going to start committing terrorist acts. Or, rather, more and larger terrorist acts.

At that point, I think the 10% of GOP voters not in the cult will separate themselves. Because the irony is that Biden and the Democrats are the "conservatives" in this race. They are the institutionalists. The Convict and the GOP are the radicals. Their activist justices ignore stare decisis. Their Project 2025 is a more radical overhaul of our democracy than anything the Students for a Democratic Society ever suggested. Conservatives want calm and continuity and untroubled markets. They want to make money and ignore other people's suffering in peace. And they aren't going to vote for the party that are the literal bomb-throwers.

We learned in 1968 that the US, broadly, would renounce leftwing violence. I think in 2024 we are about to see that the US, broadly, will renounce rightwing violence.
 
Karl Rove agrees with you Kep...basically said that even a small cleaving of votes because of the conviction will be devastating for Trump.
 
https://www.threads.net/@griffinkyl...QGziOOsnGwnXQisN86z6VDXZav3InB3CMre2ja8RNlWaA

NBC News: Trump supporters are trying to doxx the jurors in Trump's criminal trial.
A non-profit that conducts public interest research found posts of the purported addresses of jurors on a fringe message board known for pro-Trump content.

The same group found a high volume of violent social posts targeting Judge Merchan and DA Bragg. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...rs-post-violent-threats-conviction-rcna154882
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I wasn’t going to vote for Trump before the trial and won’t vote for him now, but even with that being said I think it was complete bs. The reactions from the left are completely embarrassing. The American justice system is far from perfect and if the verdict had gone the other way you would see the same people who are cheering now chastising both the the jury and justice system.
 
burd said:
Drew gets 4 responses in just over two hours. Major woodie for him, even though they are insults. To think he used to sit in the front half of the classroom, puzzling fiercely to understand what the teacher was saying.
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I think both of his brain cells exploded. But let’s be realistic, he still has twice the number of brain cells as your average person from Nodak
 
Drew S. said:
I wasn’t going to vote for Trump before the trial and won’t vote for him now, but even with that being said I think it was complete bs. The reactions from the left are completely embarrassing. The American justice system is far from perfect and if the verdict had gone the other way you would see the same people who are cheering now chastising both the the jury and justice system.
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But the verdict was not going to go the other way. Anyone who had even a passing familiarity with the evidence entered into that court could see he was guilty as fuk. Only hope he had was for one of his acolytes to cause a hung jury.

And I'm not talking about what Michael Cohen has to say. You just don't want him held accountable for anything because like the coward you are, you fear the actions that might provoke among his cult members.

So let's just let bygones be bygones, shall we? Just let the manchild keep doing whatever he wants to do
 
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