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2020 Presidential Election I: Don't Say I Didn't Warren You

Re: 2020 Presidential Election I: Don't Say I Didn't Warren You

The problem the Democrats have had ever since the the 80s with the exception of Bill Clinton -- even with Obama's wins -- is that they always think that deep inside everybody is rational. That's what you'd expect from a party of straight A grade hounds who busted their butts in the academic system.

Democratic policies are superior to Republican policies for Middle America. Democrats think articulating those policies and those advantages is enough. But it isn't if the people who would be helped don't understand, if they don't want to understand, that they would be helped. That's where the Culture War came from -- it was the Republicans' brilliant strategy of getting the voters themselves to jam their fingers in their own ears and shut their eyes. Bill, for all his faults, charmed his way into Middle American living rooms and deep fried the message so the audience would try it. Barack and especially Hillary made it easy for Middle America to retreat into an infantile cultural fantasy, and Trump was the ideal hypnotist to further that self-delusion.

I'd like to see a 45-year old Joe Bidenesque blue collar Democrat grab the party by the balls and speak in the cultural language of Middle America while not changing a single Democratic policy. I'd like to see them pretend to be an aw shucks regular guy, like Reagan did and the Bush clan does.

Without a cultural connection, the facts of policy do not register for most people. We're seeing that right now as Trump voters happily slit their own throats in a cause that makes them feel good. That has been the secret of every ideologue, of every warmonger, who has ever gotten masses of people to sacrifice themselves and their children for a feeling. The secret is that below a high level of intelligence, emotion is a larger motivator of behavior than reason.

Dukakis and Kerry and Hillary, and even Obama, did not grasp that. We need not just candidates but DNC officials at all levels down to ward boss and farm district organizer who intuitively understand that. Irrational people outnumber rational people; you cannot exclusively concentrate on the latter. Politics is the opposite of school. Here the students are the ones grading, and as there are more C students than A students, C studentism is more highly rewarded.

But that never stopped Bill -- an A student who pretended to be a C student and then did A student stuff in office with great popularity. Just a spoonful of down home sugar helps the policy medicine go down.
But it makes them feel better about themselves to talk down to people, rather than to them. It's more fun, too.
 
But it makes them feel better about themselves to talk down to people, rather than to them. It's more fun, too.

And it makes blue collar people feel better to disparage everyone with an education as pompous and elite rather than talk to them, too.

Blue collar hero worship is just as invidious.
 
Re: 2020 Presidential Election I: Don't Say I Didn't Warren You

But it makes them feel better about themselves to talk down to people, rather than to them. It's more fun, too.

Having worked in an environment with Trumpies for 12 years, I can tell you it's a lot more fun to talk to people the way they want to be talked to. Everybody has a self-image they are trying to maintain, and Trumpies' are more blatant than most. They value something they think of as authenticity but which in reality is just another affectation carefully scripted by their leaders. Politicians have known for 2500 years that once you fake sincerity you can fake anything, and it's a daily hobby to both speak in language people will accept but also with content which all their training teaches them to reject. It creates cognitive dissonance to speak in the language of Christian morality about giving succor to the poor. You can almost see the "Norman, coordinate!" confusion.

Both the Republican Establishment and the Democratic Establishment are talking down to Middle America. They come from exactly the same background: the same schools, the same families, the same money, the same utter alienation from the vast majority of people in this country. Their actual social views are probably identically liberal as well, so add a Tartuffian hypocrisy to the GOP ledger. And no doubt there are plenty in the Democratic leadership who revel in their wealth and purr in the lap of Goldman, so add economic hypocrisy to the Dems' side. That the Republicans have so successfully gulled Middle America tells us, ironically, that there's nothing preventing the Democrats from doing the same.
 
Re: 2020 Presidential Election I: Don't Say I Didn't Warren You

Until the Democrats learn to talk like republicans, little can change. They need to lie in a more effective way, I guess.

Said far more articulately and elegantly by Kepler (absent the lying part though ;):D):

The problem the Democrats have had ever since the the 80s with the exception of Bill Clinton -- even with Obama's wins -- is that they always think that deep inside everybody is rational. That's what you'd expect from a party of straight A grade hounds who busted their butts in the academic system.

Democratic policies are superior to Republican policies for Middle America. Democrats think articulating those policies and those advantages is enough. But it isn't if the people who would be helped don't understand, if they don't want to understand, that they would be helped. That's where the Culture War came from -- it was the Republicans' brilliant strategy of getting the voters themselves to jam their fingers in their own ears and shut their eyes. Bill, for all his faults, charmed his way into Middle American living rooms and deep fried the message so the audience would try it. Barack and especially Hillary made it easy for Middle America to retreat into an infantile cultural fantasy, and Trump was the ideal hypnotist to further that self-delusion.

I'd like to see a 45-year old Joe Bidenesque blue collar Democrat grab the party by the balls and speak in the cultural language of Middle America while not changing a single Democratic policy. I'd like to see them pretend to be an aw shucks regular guy, like Reagan did and the Bush clan does.

Without a cultural connection, the facts of policy do not register for most people. We're seeing that right now as Trump voters happily slit their own throats in a cause that makes them feel good. That has been the secret of every ideologue, of every warmonger, who has ever gotten masses of people to sacrifice themselves and their children for a feeling. The secret is that below a high level of intelligence, emotion is a larger motivator of behavior than reason.

Dukakis and Kerry and Hillary, and even Obama, did not grasp that. We need not just candidates but DNC officials at all levels down to ward boss and farm district organizer who intuitively understand that. Irrational people outnumber rational people; you cannot exclusively concentrate on the latter. Politics is the opposite of school. Here the students are the ones grading, and as there are more C students than A students, C studentism is more highly rewarded.

But that never stopped Bill -- an A student who pretended to be a C student and then did A student stuff in office with great popularity. Just a spoonful of down home sugar helps the policy medicine go down.
 
Re: 2020 Presidential Election I: Don't Say I Didn't Warren You

Yeah, it's really quite revolting the pandering he's doing.

Zuckerberg for Hegemon of Earth 2020! :rolleyes:
 
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