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2020 Democratic Challengers

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Kepler said:
Not a split, an evolution. The young leftists fit the ecological niche better. The old moderates are literally dying off, just not fast enough, so they need a little shove.
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And lose and lose and lose again will continue to happen. All the Repub candidate has to do is be for tax cuts for the rich, abortion, and the Supreme Court and as long as one of those three is on the ballot they win. Democrats couldn't be bothered with the Supreme Court. Purity Tests ALWAYS LOSE ELECTIONS.
 
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Feeling ignored by the dem establishment and not wanting another 4 years of the status quo doesn't make you some type of purist that's just a ridiculous narrative that needs to go away. If you want to say that about the people who didn't vote/protest voted/voted 3rd party then I get it but that doesn't mean you should ignore the greater issues at play and blame Bernie supporters or the man himself (especially now when he's doing a lot more for the party than writing terrible books that certain people on here repeat verbatim).

jerphisch said:
You've got to be 5hitting me. Look at the last 8 months of the healthcare debate and show me the honesty. They tell you they are going to provide beautiful, affordable healthcare for everyone, they tell you they are going to supercharge the economy creating an abundance of better and higher paying jobs, they tell you they are going to get rid of rampant voter fraud.
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Yeah... that's kinda why I just cut out those paragraphs of what he was saying because it's just simply bogus. On certain issues he's right but there's a reason they've gotten nothing done so far and republican voters are complete suckers.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And lose and lose and lose again will continue to happen. All the Repub candidate has to do is be for tax cuts for the rich, abortion, and the Supreme Court and as long as one of those three is on the ballot they win. Democrats couldn't be bothered with the Supreme Court. Purity Tests ALWAYS LOSE ELECTIONS.
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You repeatedly SHOUT something that is irrelevant to the point.

There is no purity test. Once the nomination is done that's it, 100% support and nary a negative word about the nominee no matter how conservative they are. Any D is better than any R. What you have your panties in a bunch about is not what we are talking about here at all.

The point is in the primaries you aim as high as you can. In San Francisco you go so moonbat even I'm like, "whoa, now, let's talk about this in quiet rooms!" In Alvin, Texas you put up the guy who wants to behead all Muslims, not torture them first, because that's what the local community standard of liberalism is.

You lead the receiver by a couple steps, everywhere, always. You push a little, but you recognize your limits.

You try to push say D+2 everywhere over and above whatever the base score is, so in Kansas that means you run R+15 and in some Alabama district you run R+85.

Our problem is nationally we've been running R+10 because the Olds think if you go anywhere near D+1 the Ghost of Saint Ronnie will rise from the dead and slay you. Well f-ck that. For one thing it's not true and for the other the R+10 strategy is destroying the country.

That's the point. The point you keep yammering about is totally irrelevant.
 
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trixR4kids said:
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No matter how much you guys say it you won't convince me. It's never happened in the entire history of this country. You're 0-46 right now. Obama was supposed to be your savior and he accomplished NOTHING. Zero. Nada. Everything he did is being erased. And, he did it being more conservative than W. By a long shot.

And all you can say is next time we'll get someone better than Hillary and we'll get liberal policies.

No. Won't happen.
 
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I honestly have no idea what you're trying to convey right now. What hasn't happened in the entire history of the US?

And realistically I don't think the party is going to learn or listen to its constituents so IDK about that part either.
 
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trixR4kids said:
It's kinda funny to hear people act like single payer/addressing wealth inequality/more leftist ideas are all super crazy when going full centrist resulted in us getting Trump in the White House.

And yet you have no explanation for the period in which he had a dem majority.
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Yes Pelosi and her cadre didnt support the public option. They were so worried about losing their majority that it became a self fulfilling prophecy.

Also, Obama wanted to reach across the aisle. (despite what every conservative tries to deny) He thought he could bridge the divide that Dubya caused. Problem is the GOP turned him into public enemy #1 and embraced a group of people who not only didnt think he was a citizen, but thought he was both a Muslim and a Black Christian Fundamentalist. He made the classic Dem Mistake of not worrying about winning and trying to do what he thought was right.

If you look at the Obama his last 2 years that was the Obama that ran and beat Hillary and McCain.

As for the nominee...speaking as a Progressive that leans far left outside of spending I will just say if they run on a Bernie style platform they will get killed by Trump...unless the person has an off the chart likeability. Most of the people dont know dick about policy they hear buzzwords and like people who make them feel good.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Nowhere because Bernie ran a bad campaign far too late and somehow people think that means everyone rejects his ideas despite all proof otherwise. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ton-combined-by-a-lot/?utm_term=.8a5781bb2c17
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It isnt about rejecting his ideas, they reject him. This isnt rocket science. The guy is an Old White Jewish Independent Socialist running in a party of which he isnt a member. He also hasnt presented any hard facts on how he plans to pay for any of his ideas. That isnt a recipe for winning.
 
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Handy said:
As for the nominee...speaking as a Progressive that leans far left outside of spending I will just say if they run on a Bernie style platform they will get killed by Trump...unless the person has an off the chart likeability. Most of the people dont know dick about policy they hear buzzwords and like people who make them feel good.
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IDK, I think part of Obama's popularity was he basically got into power right when occupy Wall Street was a thing and he basically took their message and ran with economic populism. It's not just that he was likable, he actually had decent ideas on what to do IRT the mess Bush left as well as tapping into peoples' anger. Bernie's platform is pretty similar.
 
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Obama won because his speeches won over the masses. He appealed to both the Far Left and the Centrists.
 
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So here's where some of you seem to be miscalculating. The notion that what people want in their 20's is going to be the same as what they want in their 40's. This IS NOT the same thing as saying people get more conservative as they got older, because studies have shown they really don't. But, when you're 20, free weed and free college tuition paid for by tax hikes to 100% of income for anyone making over 50K a year sound pretty good. 20 years on with a family and a mortgage and a good job paying 100K, maybe getting stoned every day and having most of your income taxed really isn't your biggest priority anymore. You may not differ on you views of social justice. You may differ greatly on your priorities or your solutions.

I do find it hilarious that moderate Dems are that way out of some fear of Reagan, a guy who took office 36 years ago. :eek: Some things have not worn well over time from the 80's. Reagan is one of them, now widely regarded as the most senile President while in office that the country has ever seen, and the only person ever seriously under consideration of having the 25th amendment invoked due to his fitness to remain in office (for the record Wilson pre-dated but was widely considered the impetus for that amendment).

But, back to the point, arch liberals have their opportunity, every 4 years, to get their person nominated. If Dems liked Sanders that much, he would have won. He didn't. If they like him that much in 2020, he'll win. Time will tell.
 
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Rover said:
But, back to the point, arch liberals have their opportunity, every 4 years, to get their person nominated. If Dems liked Sanders that much, he would have won. He didn't. If they like him that much in 2020, he'll win. Time will tell.
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This is absolutely true. It's always going to be hard to unseat TPTB but change should be hard.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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If I'm correct and the earth is rotating out from under the Democratic party then eventually the voters will simply take care of it themselves and the hacks will be unable to stop it. To the extent that our system functions at all, it still functions in that way.
 
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I might actually take Rover seriously if he wasn't constantly creating strawmen about what Bernie voters want but here we are :rolleyes: (that said it is kinda funny)
 
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You can mock him all you want to for being trollish...his point is correct.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Lol
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So if he is wrong why dont far left progressives win the nomination? Why did Bernie lose? He certainly had the money and he had enough press and chances to be on tv to get his ideas out there and win an audience. What prevented it. And please support your theory with facts. Dont tell me "it was rigged" because you sound like a Trumper when you throw around BS like that.
 
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There are a number of Bernie supporters that just can't fathom why a non-Democrat didn't win the Democratic nomination.
 
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