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2020 Democratic Challengers

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Kepler said:
We beat 538 by just a couple days.
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Yeah and their first two picks are Warren and Sanders...just awful.

edit: followed by Biden...these clowns have no idea what it is going to take to win the Dem Nom in 2020 let alone what it will take to win the general.
 
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Well Bernie currently being the front runner sounds about right but that's not saying much given that we're still in 2017.
 
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Bernie will be 79 in 2020...and will still have the same problems he had in 2016. Blacks arent going to just up and decide to vote with him now.

Lord Nate Silver took Clinton in the 2nd round...thank god none of them are in charge of the DNC.
 
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I think the 538 people came out and wrote that they were pretty much joking around so no big deal.

Having said that Handy, you'd better be ducking those lightening bolts after dissing Bernie like that. ;)
 
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I love Bernie but his problems had a spotlight shined on them against a vulnerable HRC. That wont change.
 
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Handyman said:
Bernie will be 79 in 2020...and will still have the same problems he had in 2016. Blacks arent going to just up and decide to vote with him now.

Lord Nate Silver took Clinton in the 2nd round...thank god none of them are in charge of the DNC.
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How does a guy name Hickenlooper even make this list? Isn't he disqualified just.......because?
 
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Honestly, my favorite right now would be Franken. I know he's not running, especially if what's her name runs (the other MN senator), but good lord. Ivy League education and takes government seriously but could absolutely smoke Trump in the debates with his wits.
 
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Handyman said:
I love Bernie but his problems had a spotlight shined on them against a vulnerable HRC. That wont change.
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Sanders is not going to get any traction this time around. Either Warren or a younger liberal will run a campaign grounded on those principles.

God help us, the Democratic party needs a nominee under 60. Under 50 would be better.
 
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Handyman said:
Old Blacks arent going to just up and decide to vote with him now.
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Again stats have shown that age was the decider here, not to mention the southern states voted super early when Bernie was essentially unknown and hadn't began campaigning.

That said his age is definitely an issue and I'm hoping for a younger progressive.
 
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Kepler said:
We beat 538 by just a couple days.

Code: 
01. Elizabeth Warren	
02. Bernie Sanders	
03. Joe Biden	
04. Kamala Harris (Sen, CA)	
05. Kirsten Gillibrand (Sen, NY)
06. Tim Ryan (Rep, OH)
07. Amy Klobuchar (Sen, MN)
08. Cory Booker (Sen, NJ)
09. Michelle Obama	
10. Al Franken	
11. Deval Patrick (ex-Gov, MA)
12. Hillary Clinton	
13. Eric Garcetti (Mayor, LA)
14. Steve Bullock (Gov, MT)
15. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
16. John Hickenlooper Gov, CO)
17. Jason Kander (SoS, KS)	
18. Chris Murphy (Rep, CT)
19. Sherrod Brown (Sen, OH)
20. Roy Cooper (Gov, NC)
21. Kasim Reed	(Mayor, Atlanta)
22. Bill de Blasio (Mayor, NYC)
23. Mark Zuckerberg	
24. Mitch Landrieu (Mayor New Orleans)
25. Mark Cuban
26. Julian Castro (ex-Rep, TX)
27. John Kerry	
28. Jeff Merkley (Sen, OR)
29. Al Gore	
30. Martin O’Malley (ex-Gov, MD)
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Wow, what a pantload.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Wow, what a pantload.
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Meh, there's a lot of silliness in there, most of which is intentional. If you want to pare the list down to reasonable choices:

Code: 
01. Elizabeth Warren	
03. Joe Biden	
04. Kamala Harris (Sen, CA)	
05. Kirsten Gillibrand (Sen, NY)
06. Tim Ryan (Rep, OH)
07. Amy Klobuchar (Sen, MN)
08. Cory Booker (Sen, NJ)
10. Al Franken	
11. Deval Patrick (ex-Gov, MA)
14. Steve Bullock (Gov, MT)
16. John Hickenlooper Gov, CO)
18. Chris Murphy (Rep, CT)
19. Sherrod Brown (Sen, OH)
20. Roy Cooper (Gov, NC)
26. Julian Castro (ex-Rep, TX)
28. Jeff Merkley (Sen, OR)
 
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Kepler said:
Meh, there's a lot of silliness in there, most of which is intentional. If you want to pare the list down to reasonable choices:

Code: 
01. Elizabeth Warren	
03. Joe Biden	
04. Kamala Harris (Sen, CA)	
05. Kirsten Gillibrand (Sen, NY)
06. Tim Ryan (Rep, OH)
07. Amy Klobuchar (Sen, MN)
08. Cory Booker (Sen, NJ)
10. Al Franken	
11. Deval Patrick (ex-Gov, MA)
14. Steve Bullock (Gov, MT)
16. John Hickenlooper Gov, CO)
18. Chris Murphy (Rep, CT)
19. Sherrod Brown (Sen, OH)
20. Roy Cooper (Gov, NC)
26. Julian Castro (ex-Rep, TX)
28. Jeff Merkley (Sen, OR)
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Is half a pantload a pantyload?
 
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LOL Albert Gore Junior for pres in 2020. "An unfortunate sequel."
Hillary "officially" dropped out last week and all but quit fundraising completely. Do people think she's sandbagging?
 
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trixR4kids said:
Again stats have shown that age was the decider here, not to mention the southern states voted super early when Bernie was essentially unknown and hadn't began campaigning.

That said his age is definitely an issue and I'm hoping for a younger progressive.
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No when it came to Bernie young Blacks didnt support him either. Check his polling numbers in that community they were horrible.

Franken said he would run if the party thought he was their best chance. (or something like that) I doubt Klobuchar gets any traction at all.
 
Kepler said:
We beat 538 by just a couple days.

Code: 
01. Elizabeth Warren	
02. Bernie Sanders	
03. Joe Biden	
04. Kamala Harris (Sen, CA)	
05. Kirsten Gillibrand (Sen, NY)
06. Tim Ryan (Rep, OH)
07. Amy Klobuchar (Sen, MN)
08. Cory Booker (Sen, NJ)
09. Michelle Obama	
10. Al Franken	
11. Deval Patrick (ex-Gov, MA)
12. Hillary Clinton	
13. Eric Garcetti (Mayor, LA)
14. Steve Bullock (Gov, MT)
15. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
16. John Hickenlooper Gov, CO)
17. Jason Kander (SoS, KS)	
18. Chris Murphy (Rep, CT)
19. Sherrod Brown (Sen, OH)
20. Roy Cooper (Gov, NC)
21. Kasim Reed	(Mayor, Atlanta)
22. Bill de Blasio (Mayor, NYC)
23. Mark Zuckerberg	
24. Mitch Landrieu (Mayor New Orleans)
25. Mark Cuban
26. Julian Castro (ex-Rep, TX)
27. John Kerry	
28. Jeff Merkley (Sen, OR)
29. Al Gore	
30. Martin O’Malley (ex-Gov, MD)
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6, 14, 16 & 10. Your nominee has to be from flyover USA.
 
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joecct said:
6, 14, 16 & 10. Your nominee has to be from flyover USA.
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Not flyover, per se. A candidate from the deep south or the prairie would be worthless, for instance. Rust belt would help. Mid Atlantic would help. A purple westerner (CO / NM / NV) would be excellent.

Geography is less and less important every day. Identity is where people are throwing their tribal stakes now. The Dems probably need one more white male to ride out the final wail of the rural white resentment wahmbulance. After that we can cut them loose for good.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Black voters 25 and under supported him more than Clinton so this is a factually incorrect statement.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...der-younger-blacks-democratic-primary-n580996
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And Black voters 30 and over overwhelmingly went to Hillary. So 30 is now considered old? In 3 of the 4 age groupings Hillary trounced him. (70% was the worst she did and that was 30-44)

And the small demographic you are talking about made up 3% of the electorate and he barely held any lead. (in fact I would assume that is close to the margin for error)

So I guess you are correct in that the youngest voters were pretty split. (52-47 Sanders) The problem is they represent the lowest amount of voting Black people. So factually Bernie is going to have a serious problem with the Black vote. (which is what I said that started this) He will get trounced because it isnt like the 30 and up crowd will just decide to not vote this time around and the 17-29 year olds arent going to be enough to offset it. Unless he plans to go by way of the Trump method (win all the Whites) he just doesnt have the demographic support to be anywhere close to a true frontrunner no matter his age. No one can win the Dem nomination without the support of the minorities.
 
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