2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Don't you think that map is more a symptom of the racial make up in each area?

That kos article has a number of similar maps. One just shows the percentage of adults in each district who have some sort of college degree, and it shows, at least to my eye, a slightly different make up for the south and midwest. But the chart you posted is "whites with no college degree as a percentage of all adult citizens in each district." I think the word they left out (all) is important. If you have a district like North Dakota that is more than 90% white, and if 70% of the adults have no college degree, then the number of whites with no college degree as a percentage of all adults in the district won't be much different.

But if you have another state where 70% of the people don't have a college degree but it's racial make up is closer to 50/50, isn't the number of whites without a college degree as against all adults in the district going to be naturally smaller?


Edit: I see uno essentially beat me to it.

Basically, yes.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Kepler, it's clear from your posts that you're a bright guy. If you apply yourself, I could even see you supporting yourself eventually as... say, assistant manager at a Best Buy. But man, you've got to get out in the real world. You've got the blinders of a kid with no experience in life who thinks he's king of the world because he just got into some second-rate fake ivy like Cornell. Different people have differing goals.

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[Handyman]

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Well, then open up (4) year to free first two yeas as well but not the dorm.

This is the right plan. Any public university gives the first two years free and if the student chooses to continue past generals they pay. (or get grants or whatever) It is the smart midstep that gets you to toal free education later on.

Give everyone two years to see if college/trade is right for them.

All parents should have their kids take their generals at Community College anyways. I am biased obviously (I work at a CC) but the credits are cheaper, the classes are smaller and you can get them done quicker usually. If I had kids that would be the track I sent them on and if I could go back that is what I would do. (though back then the U had GC which was basically the same thing at a higher cost)

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The funny thing was, the Midwest has fairly similar college educated adult numbers as the coasts. Elite my arse.

 

[Handyman]

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The funny thing was, the Midwest has fairly similar college educated adult numbers as the coasts. Elite my arse.

Yeah but they go to colleges where they pay for the name. They are morons

Think of it like this...back in the day when Target was owned by Daytons they sold the same clothes with different tags. Target was 20-30% cheaper. The Coastals pay for Daytons while the smart people buy twice as much as Target. (I miss those days...back then Target was ten times better) Then there are those like Kepler who go to Saks Fifth Avenue so they can tell us about it all the time

 

[mookie1995]

Once more.... if high school was revamped it would properly train workers for the 21st century...

It's a good start, at any rate. I would say: make all state colleges and universities free. Private colleges can do whatever they want. People are still going to be wiling to pay $250k instead of nothing to send Muffy to Harvard. But to Oral Roberts? Prolly not.

What father wouldn’t want to send his daughter to study oral?!?

 

[Kepler]

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Once more.... if high school was revamped it would properly train workers for the 21st century...

Agree with this. If more than 10% of your population needs to go to college in order to work your high schools are doin it wrong.

 

[Kepler]

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What father wouldn’t want to send his daughter to study oral?!?

The Christians would still homeschool.

 

[Kepler]

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All parents should have their kids take their generals at Community College anyways.

I completely agree with this. Universities probably shouldn't even offer survey courses -- they're daycare for the dumber kids and they bore the living f-ck out of the smarter kids and the profs.

Provide completely free CCs throughout the country offering the entire general curriculum up through sophomore year. Let the smarter kids place out of those requirements and enter college immediately. Let everybody else who wants to take whatever course load they want in CC either while working or straight -- force all colleges to accept full transfer credits if they want a dollar in state or federal grants.

Kids who want to work right out of HS can; those with no interest in continuing ed can bag CC entirely.

Kids who have to work and/or can't place into college right away get as much time as they want in CC for free.

Kids who finish or place out of CC who want to can move directly to college but without the training wheels first 2 years. Create BA/MA/PhD tracks based on the specialized demands of the discipline. Stop measuring in terms of years and just concentrate on credits and requirements. So, engineering might take 60 credits (remember, these are all in discipline now, you've satisfied all your general requirements), math takes about 80, history takes like 200.

The colleges no longer blow all their assets playing nursemaid to kids who just want to become accountants. The drunky drunk 19 year olds from HS go to CC and do their date rape thing there instead of bothering the real students. College sports becomes CC sports (your SEC joke here).

 

[geezer]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Are my eyes really brown?

I'm a little disappointed by this seemingly calm inquiry after I blatantly insulted your means and motives. I may have lost my knack for trolling on the internets.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm a little disappointed by this seemingly calm inquiry after I blatantly insulted your means and motives. I may have lost my knack for trolling on the internets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkM6HegRk3A

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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This is the right plan. Any public university gives the first two years free and if the student chooses to continue past generals they pay. (or get grants or whatever) It is the smart midstep that gets you to toal free education later on.

Give everyone two years to see if college/trade is right for them.

All parents should have their kids take their generals at Community College anyways. I am biased obviously (I work at a CC) but the credits are cheaper, the classes are smaller and you can get them done quicker usually. If I had kids that would be the track I sent them on and if I could go back that is what I would do. (though back then the U had GC which was basically the same thing at a higher cost)

The problem is housing. 4 year colleges have dorms. CC and Tech do not.

 

[Kepler]

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The problem is housing. 4 year colleges have dorms. CC and Tech do not.

"Mom and Dad, I have some good news and some bad news..."

Our daughter did a year of CC between HS and college. Our rule was she could live with us as long as she liked until she moved out, but once gone her room became an office and we changed the locks.

FAR, far better your kid stay with you for a few years in her 20s than rebound back in her 30s because her tuition debt has eliminated any way for her to buy a home.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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"Mom and Dad, I have some good news and some bad news..."

Our daughter did a year of CC between HS and college. Our rule was she could live with us as long as she liked until she moved out, but once gone her room became an office and we changed the locks.

FAR, far better your kid stay with you for a few years in her 20s then rebound back in her 30s because her tuition debt has eliminated any way for her to buy a home.

I get that. Going to have to change hearts and minds. Many people I have talked to consider the dorm experience freshmen year to be the most important year of college.

 

[Kepler]

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I get that. Going to have to change hearts and minds. Many people I have talked to consider the dorm experience freshmen year to be the most important year of college.

It was mine, too. Because I was 18 and could have all the beer and tail I wanted on my parents' dime.

That was a fun part of social history but it's over now. Animal House ended when tuition exceeded the median cost of a new home.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It was mine, too. Because I was 18 and could have all the beer and tail I wanted on my parents' dime.

That was a fun part of social history but it's over now. Animal House ended when tuition exceeded the median cost of a new home.

Unfortunately that's not the experience I am talking about. Point taken though.

 

[SJHovey]

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It was mine, too. Because I was 18 and could have all the beer and tail I wanted on my parents' dime.

That was a fun part of social history but it's over now. Animal House ended when tuition exceeded the median cost of a new home.

My wife and I consider the kids' college housing costs to be the one major mistake we made in our lives.

Before the oldest headed off to college we had decided that we were going to foot the bill for their four year undergraduate degree at the University of Minnesota. A lot of our friends suggested it was a bad idea, for a variety of reasons, including the proverbial "no skin the game" argument. But we ultimately decided that since we could afford to pay that bill, and because if we didn't they were likely looking at student loan debt that would sabotage things like houses, cars, families, etc..., for not just years but decades, it was our chance to give them a leg up over what many of their contemporaries faced coming out of college.

We don't regret that decision one bit, especially when I read all the horror stories now of kids and their debt. What we do regret is not proceeding with a plan that I knew was a great idea but I just couldn't pull the trigger on, and that was buying a condominium in Minneapolis/St. Paul and basically making the girls live there instead of in the dorms and apartments they ultimately chose. I would have been building equity instead of U of M buildings. Bad decision.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Are my eyes really brown?

More of a green-brown hazel mixture. Not sure what you ate last night, but it's not settling well.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

We don't regret that decision one bit, especially when I read all the horror stories now of kids and their debt. What we do regret is not proceeding with a plan that I knew was a great idea but I just couldn't pull the trigger on, and that was buying a condominium in Minneapolis/St. Paul and basically making the girls live there instead of in the dorms and apartments they ultimately chose. I would have been building equity instead of U of M buildings. Bad decision.

You're right, that would have been a great decision. I have a friend whose parents did that for her and then gave her the townhouse as a graduation present, to live in or sell, her choice. Combined with a good salary at her first job she's set up, able to max her 401(k) and even start building her own kid's college fund, and she's not even 30 yet.

Also, involving her in those decisions got her thinking along those lines. Once you are doing that kind of home economics you may still go hang out and party with your less responsible college friends, but you are thinking about sh-t like DUIs and pregnancies and carpet damage. College isn't for figuring out your alcohol tolerance or how and with whom your sex organs work. That's high school. By college you should be figuring out how to live a secure life while doing the very least work you possibly can for your employer and reserving the rest of your time to fulfill yourself and perhaps make a better world.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

More of a green-brown hazel mixture. Not sure what you ate last night, but it's not settling well.

You mean this feeling is a sign I should consult a physician?

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