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2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

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ScoobyDoo said:
On the campaign front. Liz has released her plan for paying for Medicare for All.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...DwDwVMMkilX0adoO1eTtoO7jvNk0JOTY3Ihslp-GVE31I

It should shut Mayor Pete up.
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I like it better than any of the other M4A plans that the candidates have unveiled. Particularly the case needs to be made that corporations will have to fork over the $$$ that they currently contribute to employee healthcare back to the government (about 9T of the total revenue needed). Some advocates have the silly notion that somehow corporate America will take the money saved from not paying for healthcare and push it out in the form of raises and bonus. Not going to happen, so by law the gubmint better have a way to get their hands on those funds. I also appreciate the bow to political reality that eludes Senator Sanders. You cannot hike middle class taxes in order to pay for this. That's a sure fire loser, no matter if its true in the end that people would end up saving $$$. Voters don't go for "give me $100 today and I'll pay you back $120 next year".
 
BassAle said:
It’s impossible to win by only appealing to the liberal wing of the party.

A large part of the 1000+ seat loss is that the democrats have lost the rural working class
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As these are people who think they can fend for themselves. Programs are fine, but they need to be for all.
 
Rover said:
Let me see if I have this straight.

From 1968 - 1988 Dems ran arch liberals for Prez. They won exactly one election, which is when a more moderate candidate (Carter) triumphed. They lost 5. They also got absolutely crushed in 3 of those elections (1972, 1984, 1988) with very liberal nominees.

From 1992 - 2016, Dems have won 4 out of 7 times. They had a Dem serve two full terms for the first time since FDR (Clinton). They had a Prez win 51% of the vote in both elections for the first time since Eisenhower. They've won the popular vote in 6 of those 7 contests and the other loss (2004) was relatively narrow.

BUT, based on the Bernie caucus, who apparently knows more about winning elections that Barack Obama (I mean, I'm an arrogant guy, but geesh that's even a leap for me!) we should go BACK to nominating the people who lost every election where they were the nominee? Huh.
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Dude. It’s a given almost that you get two terms unless you allow an embassy to be overrun and hostages taken.

Also, Clinton got elected on the heels of a recession.. BHO got in following another recession

End of story.
 
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mookie1995 said:
Dude. It’s a given almost that you get two terms unless you allow an embassy to be overrun and hostages taken.

Also, Clinton got elected on the heels of a recession.. BHO got in following another recession

End of story.
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? - What embassy got overrun when Bush I was in office?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Let the attack ads begin.
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What I find most interesting is what the Republicans did. Now in many markets you can buy really cheap medical insurance. Good, right? No. Cause it doesn't cover ****. You have one extreme medical calamity in your family and you likely go bankrupt. The whole point of Obamacare and why it was pushed and passed was they wanted to find a way to minimize or eliminate medical bankruptcy in America.

Maybe we shouldn't do that.

Maybe what we should do instead is relax the bankruptcy laws that the poor and middle class get to use to match the ones the rich get to use. Then, we could all just skip the insurance altogether and whenever the bill gets too high just declare bankruptcy and be done with it. It's what works for Trump and corporate America. Make it work for the every(wo)man.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
What I find most interesting is what the Republicans did. Now in many markets you can buy really cheap medical insurance. Good, right? No. Cause it doesn't cover ****. You have one extreme medical calamity in your family and you likely go bankrupt. The whole point of Obamacare and why it was pushed and passed was they wanted to find a way to minimize or eliminate medical bankruptcy in America.

Maybe we shouldn't do that.

Maybe what we should do instead is relax the bankruptcy laws that the poor and middle class get to use to match the ones the rich get to use. Then, we could all just skip the insurance altogether and whenever the bill gets too high just declare bankruptcy and be done with it. It's what works for Trump and corporate America. Make it work for the every(wo)man.
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If you have a problem with the bankruptcy laws take it up with the Senator from Bank of America. He used to be VP and now he's running for president.
 
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Beto out. Hopefully he finds a way to stay involved in the political scene.
 
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Beto should run for senate
 
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ericredaxe said:
Beto out. Hopefully he finds a way to stay involved in the political scene.
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He will. He's a man in a hurry.

He's going to be the first Democratic TX governor since Ann Richards.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Who else should the dems be running in Texas? Their demographics are shifting every day.
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I don't know who else the Dems have, but Beto's toast in Texas for the foreseeable future after he moved left on guns and the religious org income tax exemption.

As a political candidate he's going to be an asterisk in the history books, and it's his own d@mn fault.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
He couldn't beat America's Most Hated Senator... *shrug*

At a minimum he should be out there stumping for Dem candidates in flippable parts of Texas and raising money.
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He can raise a metric sh-t ton in the non-senescent parts of TX. Austin, Houston, San Antonio.
 
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Kamala's halfway out.


That leaves us: Bennet, Biden, Booker, Bullock, Buttigieg, Castro, Delaney, Gabbard, Klobuchar, Messam, Sanders, Sestak, Steyer, Warren, Williamson, Yang.

Top five polling (11/1 NY Times/Siena) are: Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders, Klobuchar.
 
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aparch said:
Kamala's halfway out.


That leaves us: Bennet, Biden, Booker, Bullock, Buttigieg, Castro, Delaney, Gabbard, Klobuchar, Messam, Sanders, Sestak, Steyer, Warren, Williamson, Yang.

Top five polling (11/1 NY Times/Siena) are: Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Sanders, Klobuchar.
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I think the letting go of her staff puts her right out.

Klobuchar is rising, but it's a giant task ahead for her. I don't see her at the head of the ticket. :( She MIGHT get lucky and get named VP on a ticket, to get the midwest vote, but even that is probably a long shot.
 
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state of hockey said:
God I hope not. I'd much rather have her be my senator than VP.
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I would, too. VP is pretty much a worthless position, unless you can steer the prez, and given the other favored candidates, that's not gonna happen.
 
You cannot hike middle class taxes in order to pay for this. That's a sure fire loser, no matter if its true in the end that people would end up saving $$$. Voters don't go for "give me $100 today and I'll pay you back $120 next year".
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Thats quite literally what her plan is doing despite her mental gymnastics to convince people like yourself otherwise. A head tax is just a tax on the middle class as well but hers is actually more regressive <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Warren’s Perpetual Medicare Head Tax Is Unworkable and Bad<br> <a href="https://t.co/ez00V5JpjS">https://t.co/ez00V5JpjS</a> <a href="https://t.co/zABBou99FI">pic.twitter.com/zABBou99FI</a></p>— People's Policy Project (@PplPolicyProj) <a href="https://twitter.com/PplPolicyProj/status/1190274736208711681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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