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2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People with 50 million dollars are actually poor seems like an alarmingly stupid hill to die on. <a href="https://t.co/3ggbi2F7Ho">https://t.co/3ggbi2F7Ho</a></p>— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) <a href="https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1186249759880814594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People with 50 million dollars are actually poor seems like an alarmingly stupid hill to die on. <a href="https://t.co/3ggbi2F7Ho">https://t.co/3ggbi2F7Ho</a></p>— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) <a href="https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1186249759880814594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Hard to find a simpler and more accessible example of the clinical break from reality that the rich have. I hope the RNC makes this guy their spokesman during the campaign. PA/OH/MI/WI will react well to him.
 
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mookie1995 said:
dude here is high on cocaine :)
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Nope. Just pushing the narrative that Putin wants him to push.

I can't think of a worse candidate to go up against Trump. Maybe Hickenlooper or another one of the also rans, but......
 
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Handyman said:
Not a chance. He has had zero upward movement he is stuck at his normal number. When it comes down to 2 candidates he is toast. Unless that other candidate is Andrew Yang or Tulsi Gabbardev ;)
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That's Gabbardovich.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People with 50 million dollars are actually poor seems like an alarmingly stupid hill to die on. <a href="https://t.co/3ggbi2F7Ho">https://t.co/3ggbi2F7Ho</a></p>— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) <a href="https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1186249759880814594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Yeah, and after 20 years of Warren's wealth tax, it might only be $40 million.

Will someone please think of the 1%?
 
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Kepler said:
With Warren we win and we might romp to huge majorities.

With Biden it will be a Norris Division slog all the way to Election Day, though obviously we are still in it.
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I hope you are right... but I suspect Warren faces the same fate as Hillary. The "Pocahontas thing" will resonate with the deplorables and bring them out in force. Her farther left positions wont bring in the swing voters in PA, MI and WI that we need to flip them back...

I wish we were seeing the Biden of 2012...
 
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ericredaxe said:
I hope you are right... but I suspect Warren faces the same fate as Hillary. The "Pocahontas thing" will resonate with the deplorables and bring them out in force. Her farther left positions wont bring in the swing voters in PA, MI and WI that we need to flip them back...

I wish we were seeing the Biden of 2012...
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I think the correct analogy to Hillary is Biden, albeit in a much lesser way. They are both centrists who turn their backs on the energy coming from the younger more liberal rising Democratic wave and thus reduce our voter pool. They both turn a lot of people off by churning out the old, tired Terry McAuliffe centrist Corporate Dem DNC messaging. They both "play old." Warren and Sanders are older than dirt but they play young, Hillary and Biden are like watching the paint dry.

But I don't want to overstate it. The Echo Chamber literally had 25 years to churn up base hatred against Hillary. Biden OTOH was until recently quite invisible on the GOP Slander Charts. There's nothing like the kind of pent up hatred against him that there was for Hillary. She was a thousand year flood. The only way the GOP is lucking into that kind of thing again is if we nominate Jane Fonda.

I think Biden can grind out a 50/50 win assuming he can survive vote suppression, electoral fraud, and the botski tsunami. But in a 50/50 outcome there is likely a freeze to status quo numbers in the House and Senate and so, for example, we get 4 or 8 years without any legislation, without a SCOTUS nominee, and with the same grinding depression that makes people angry and desperate enough to reach for a Dump in frustration. Not healthy.
 
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When Pierre Jr loses, as you guys going to being preparing for tD2? :)
 
ericredaxe said:
I hope you are right... but I suspect Warren faces the same fate as Hillary. The "Pocahontas thing" will resonate with the deplorables and bring them out in force. Her farther left positions wont bring in the swing voters in PA, MI and WI that we need to flip them back...

I wish we were seeing the Biden of 2012...
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You, and your fellow deplorables, will come out in full force regardless. Your king is being threatened.
But that's still only 35% of voters. And swing voters aren't a thing anymore. Trump has made it so you're either all in or all out.
 
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ericredaxe said:
IThe "Pocahontas thing" will resonate with the deplorables and bring them out in force. Her farther left positions wont bring in the swing voters in PA, MI and WI that we need to flip them back...
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On this, two things:

1. The Deplorables don't matter. They are GOP ride or die. They are an obstacle in the physical landscape, not voters up for grabs. We should never give them a thought either way.

2. You know who won't win OH/MI/WI/PA "economic anxiety" rural whites? Obama. And yet he won handily twice. The key is to open up the voter pool by appealing to people who are energized by attacks on the systemic class problems in this country. When we choose a centrist we throw cold water on all that. That is the Plutes protecting their loot by getting us to self-censor, and the consequence is we wither as a party while the right becomes bolder, more fascistic, and more powerful and energetic. Here's the thing about Dump: he's not boring.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
You, and your fellow deplorables, will come out in full force regardless. Your king is being threatened.
But that's still only 35% of voters. And swing voters aren't a thing anymore. Trump has made it so you're either all in or all out.
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This. Every new voter now is a Democrat. Every possible Republican has been squeezed out of the tar sands of the Deplorables by the Republicans' full press of racism, xenophobia, and anti-intellectualism. Every zombie has been mobilized -- the non-voters who are left are ours if we just reach for them.

cF I could have sworn that way back you were a rightie? Am I mistaken or have you made the jump over the years?
 
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Kepler said:
This. Every new voter now is a Democrat. Every possible Republican has been squeezed out of the tar sands of the Deplorables by the Republicans' full press of racism, xenophobia, and anti-intellectualism. Every zombie has been mobilized -- the non-voters who are left are ours if we just reach for them.
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Not true. Susan Rice has admitted that she has raised a new fresh Republican in her own house.
 
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Regarding Warren and the Native American issue, I think that would matter more if everyone in the country was fat and happy and had the leisure time to engage in such nonsense. I mentioned previous this sort of slander worked like charm in 1988 against a guy with no known skeletons in his closet, while Goopernazi's did the same thing in 1992 against a candidate with a lot more material to work with and the voters dismissed it. I don't see the electorate as being fat and happy next year. They seem much more anxious about the country's future.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Not true. Susan Rice has admitted that she has raised a new fresh Republican in her own house.
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That was a really good episode but did you think Tyson was just going through the motions? He's usually way more up. Last Friday he looked like he was just there for the check.
 
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Rover said:
Regarding Warren and the Native American issue
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I literally can't see anybody giving a sh-t about the Pocahontas thing except for the twelve people on Kos who are professionally outraged about identity.
 
Kepler said:
cF I could have sworn that way back you were a rightie? Am I mistaken or have you made the jump over the years?
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I was and I've definitely moved significantly left to where Warren is my preferred candidate. Since 2009, I have had much more in common socially with the democratic party. But it took some years to realize the picture of the Republican party I had in my mind was nowhere close to what the Republican party actually is.
 
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Kepler said:
That was a really good episode but did you think Tyson was just going through the motions? He's usually way more up. Last Friday he looked like he was just there for the check.
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Tyson wasn't on his game. It's a weird show though. They only have an hour and he doesn't really give any of his guests a lot of room. Howard Stern went way over the week before and cut everyone else's time considerably.
 
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