2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

I’m still convinced her supporters are all bots. I don’t have a theory about how she’s getting donations or polling, but no one on Twitter sounds like a human when they talk about her.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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3. Appearance: "She's a veteran." Actuality: She did a BS tour specifically to burnish her resume for running for Congress. It's cynical.

There's plenty of reasons to dislike Tulsi, but let's leave this one alone. The Bernie Bros all say the same thing about Buttigieg's service, and it's wholly unnecessary. They both went over there and served with distinction.

 

[Handyman]

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...does anyone care?

“BREAKING: Rep. Tulsi Gabbard says she may boycott the Democratic presidential debate next week despite qualifying for televised chance to reach millions of voters, accusing the Democratic National Committee and media of “rigging” the primary contest against outsider candidates such as herself.”

The Russian Bots care!! WONT SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE FAKE PEOPLE!?!?!?!?

 

[Handyman]

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There's plenty of reasons to dislike Tulsi, but let's leave this one alone. The Bernie Bros all say the same thing about Buttigieg's service, and it's wholly unnecessary. They both went over there and served with distinction.

Yeah leave the Vet stuff out of the fight.

 

[Kepler]

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There's plenty of reasons to dislike Tulsi, but let's leave this one alone. The Bernie Bros all say the same thing about Buttigieg's service, and it's wholly unnecessary. They both went over there and served with distinction.

I will not stop saying it. Her service is bullsh-t. I know somebody very well who knows her very well. If you can top that I'll be willing to listen. If not then you are arguing an abstraction against concrete knowledge so it's you who needs to stand down.

If Mayor Pete did his mil turn to polish up his resume then f-ck him, too.

 

[rufus]

People who don't know much abut her fall into the trap of supporting her because:

1. Appearance: "She's a Hindu. She's a religious minority." Actuality: No, she's not a Hindu, she belongs to a one man cult run by a fraudster named Chris Butler which the Hindus have specifically called out as a scam.

2. Appearance: "She's a person of color." Actuality: So's Ben Carson.

3. Appearance: "She's a veteran." Actuality: She did a BS tour specifically to burnish her resume for running for Congress. It's cynical.

4. Appearance: "She fought for justice against DWS and Hillary." Actuality: She kind of did. It was for career-building motives but still, that was actually useful.

5. Appearance: "She's anti-authoritarian." Actuality: When it suits her. She opposes some imperialism but she also virulently hates Muslims and loves Modi who is a corrupt tyrant. She also sucked up to Dump when she thought she had a shot at SecDef.

Appearance: She's relatively easy on the eyes

 

[Kepler]

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Appearance: She's relatively easy on the eyes

Not up close. She lost the DOD job because she has bad skin and Dump found her repulsive up close. True story.

<img src="https://www.out.com/sites/out.com/files/2019/01/17/tulsi-750x.jpg"




Is that a good reason to reject a SecDef candidate? No. Is it a Dump reason? Obviously.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

Not up close. She lost the DOD job because she has bad skin and Dump found her repulsive up close. True story.

Is that a good reason to reject a SecDef candidate? No. Is it a Dump reason? Obviously.

So, you're saying Trump doesn't follow mookie's "they all look the same in the dark" mantra? Interesting...

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I will not stop saying it. Her service is bullsh-t. I know somebody very well who knows her very well. If you can top that I'll be willing to listen. If not then you are arguing an abstraction against concrete knowledge so it's you who needs to stand down.

If Mayor Pete did his mil turn to polish up his resume then f-ck him, too.

In Buttigieg's case, the cynical bros say that no one quits McKinsey to join the military unless they have "political ambitions".

 

[mookie1995]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

So, you're saying Trump doesn't follow mookie's "they all look the same in the dark" mantra? Interesting...

not even....
rooms are rarely pitch black.
and as any blind person can tell you, one can see with their hands.

ergo, they absolutely DO NOT all look the same in the dark!

 

[Kepler]

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In Buttigieg's case, the cynical bros say that no one quits McKinsey to join the military unless they have "political ambitions".

Not sure why the roll eyes, it may well be true.

Let's face it. Military service is a valuable form of virtue signalling to certain populations. Politicians do choose to do it in order to establish bona fides. For that matter, likely the vast majority of non-politicians choose it because they are shut out from other paths of advancement.

There's a lot of rot surrounding our glorification of the military and much of it has nothing to do with either the troops or the cause of national defense. Militarism is great business (as I can tell you) and extolling the virtues of the military advances many social and political attitudes which, well, as mookie would say, "there are some bad people on the right."

 

[trixR4kids]

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Not sure why the roll eyes, it may well be true.

Let's face it. Military service is a valuable form of virtue signalling to certain populations. Politicians do choose to do it in order to establish bona fides. For that matter, likely the vast majority of non-politicians choose it because they are shut out from other paths of advancement.

There's a lot of rot surrounding our glorification of the military and much of it has nothing to do with either the troops or the cause of national defense. Militarism is great business (as I can tell you) and extolling the virtues of the military advances many social and political attitudes which, well, as mookie would say, "there are some bad people on the right."

Yeah honestly it just seems like a move on his part to basically check a box on his resume. He joined the naval reserves in a landlocked state a few months before his first election and then went overseas and worked on spreadsheets in a financial intelligence unit. It's certainly not as dangerous as he made it out to be where he was constantly carrying a gun weary of suicide bombers in a region that had no suicide bombings. And as you note he wouldn't be the first politician to have done this.

 

[The Rube]

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Even working on the non-combat side (especially in this day and age) deserves merit. How many of us can say we joined the armed forces? There are different degrees of "being in the sh*", sure, but they still served the country. *shrug*

 

[trixR4kids]

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I'm not saying it's bad that he served but I think it's fair to look at it critically especially when how he describes his service doesn't really match up with what he actually did.

 

[Kepler]

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Even working on the non-combat side (especially in this day and age) deserves merit. How many of us can say we joined the armed forces? There are different degrees of "being in the sh*", sure, but they still served the country. *shrug*

It reminds me of the joke about politicians -- once you can fake authenticity you can fake anything.

I primarily respect soldiers because I assume they were f-cked in the birth lottery yet they managed to somehow beat the odds in a culture where the poor are told to drop dead. And then there are those dwindling few rich families, mostly southern, which still preserve the noblesse oblige attitude and actually put their as-ses on the line to defend values which the rest of American society doesn't really measure up to anymore.

But. If you were a PFC file clerk I'm not going to lay down and worship you. A third grade teacher does far more for our country than any soldier. And as to that solider, while I have nothing against him we should all have a lot against the MIC which uses him as a literal human shield to gin up their profits.

The greatest "political correctness" of this (and pretty much every other) country is to extol the virtues of the representative of the coercive power of whoever owns the state. The guy who suffers most from that is typically the solider himself, who is just a disposable unit in the balance sheet of the rich f-cks making their fortunes using him as their public face.

And one of the ways they do that is the way Tulsi did -- take a sweet sunny vacation for a couple years safely in the green zone filing your nails and then run as one of Our Brave Heroes. Directly to the extent that you respect real soldiers, you should be offended by that cynicism.

 

[The Rube]

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It reminds me of the joke about politicians -- once you can fake authenticity you can fake anything.

I primarily respect soldiers because I assume they were f-cked in the birth lottery yet they managed to somehow beat the odds in a culture where the poor are told to drop dead. And then there are those dwindling few rich families, mostly southern, which still preserve the noblesse oblige attitude and actually put their as-ses on the line to defend values which the rest of American society doesn't really measure up to anymore.

But. If you were a PFC file clerk I'm not going to lay down and worship you. A third grade teacher does far more for our country than any soldier. And as to that solider, while I have nothing against him we should all have a lot against the MIC which uses him as a literal human shield to gin up their profits.

The greatest "political correctness" of this (and pretty much every other) country is to extol the virtues of the representative of the coercive power of whoever owns the state. The guy who suffers most from that is typically the solider himself, who is just a disposable unit in the balance sheet of the rich f-cks making their fortunes using him as their public face.

And one of the ways they do that is the way Tulsi did -- take a sweet sunny vacation for a couple years safely in the green zone filing your nails and then run as one of Our Brave Heroes. Directly to the extent that you respect real soldiers, you should be offended by that cynicism.

I was referring more to the intelligence side of things; hacking, decoding, communications, etc.

 

[trixR4kids]

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I was referring more to the intelligence side of things; hacking, decoding, communications, etc.

His post addresses that, though he sorta exaggerates with the PFC file clerk part.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Fool asks Elizabeth Warren about same sex marriage. She knocks it out of the park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr8-Ln3FK64
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/elizabeth-warren-equality-town-hall

"Well, I'm going to assume it's a guy who said that," Warren responded. "And I'm going to say, then just marry one woman... Assuming you can find one."

 

[Rover]

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This is from wiki on Buttigieg:

Military career[edit]


In 2014, Buttigieg began his deployment at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.
In 2007, while volunteering for Barack Obama's presidential campaign, Buttigieg was influenced to join the military after seeing the disparities between communities that were missing large amounts of young people due to military service and those that had barely any serving.[39]

In 2009, Buttigieg became an ensign in the U.S. Navy Reserve and trained to become a naval intelligence officer. He deployed to Afghanistan for seven months in 2014.[40][41][42] While deployed, Buttigieg was part of a unit assigned to identify and disrupt terrorist finance networks. Part of this was done at Bagram Air Base, but he also worked as an armed driver for his commander on over 100 trips into Kabul. Buttigieg has jokingly called this role "military Uber", because he had to watch out for ambushes and explosive devices along the roads and make sure the vehicle was guarded.[39] In order to better communicate with Afghans, he also taught himself to speak some Dari (a variety of the Persian language). Buttigieg was awarded the Joint Service Commendation Medal[43] and the Joint Meritorious Unit Award and was honorably discharged from the U.S. Navy in 2017.[44][45][46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg

I'm now sure what if anything Buttigieg is exaggerating here, but I can tell you I sure as fuk wouldn't want to be transporting people around Afghanistan. If he portrayed himself as Rambo, okay, but his service seems a bit different than that of a file clerk.

 

[trixR4kids]

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He talks about how dangerous it was and how he constantly had to carry a gun when in reality he worked on spreadsheets in the safest area of Afghanistan (Kabul). And the sources for that claim about being the uber driver or whatever are his own quotes.