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2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country

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Kepler said:
So I missed the debate entirely. My take from the PBP here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Warren rocked
Biden drooled
Bernie may not even have shown up
Klobouchar, wait, cried?
Tulsi, who did show up, was an idiot
Nobody else should have bothered but Steyer is ugly

Fair summary?
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Nailed it.

That comment by Warren is going to make Biden go on tilt. His candidacy ended there.

Actually, I didn’t think Bernie did that bad.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Let me make it simple, one warehouse worker to another.
This:

Does not jibe with this:


I wouldn't be tossing around words like "starter job" and "not a career" because the exact same things can be said about driving around a forklift and loading pallets on a truck.

You know how companies keep wages down? Because idiots like you believe the claptrap about "starter jobs" and "not a career" and allow them to divide the working class to prevent us from working together.

But hey automation right?
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I'm doing the exact same thing I did 18 years ago, but with more privileges and more responsibility. When I first started, I just picked stuff from shelves and dropped them off. That was a job, nothing more. However, I pressed to learn more, was impressive enough to be offered more opportunities (including training others across the country), and now I am where I am. Now this is a career. That "job" evolved. Thankfully, it was made easier by being not only in the same industry, but within the same company.

What DX said earlier about "gig economy" is very much correct. Jobs have become disposable. Most people stay within the same "career" or industry but not the same company; employees basically have become mercenaries. They go wherever they get the best offer. I don't hear too much about lifelong employees, which was the mantra that our parents grew up in. "Stay loyal, be that 40-45 year employee, everything will be fine." Things are much different now. Heck, even I was looking to relocate a few years back, until my company changed some things (and the nice position I now have).

You. Are. Replaceable.
 
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From what I've seen on social media, Kepler nailed the debate; I didn't watch, FTR.
 
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The Rube said:
I'm doing the exact same thing I did 18 years ago, but with more privileges and more responsibility. When I first started, I just picked stuff from shelves and dropped them off. That was a job, nothing more. However, I pressed to learn more, was impressive enough to be offered more opportunities (including training others across the country), and now I am where I am. Now this is a career. That "job" evolved. Thankfully, it was made easier by being not only in the same industry, but within the same company.

What DX said earlier about "gig economy" is very much correct. Jobs have become disposable. Most people stay within the same "career" or industry but not the same company; employees basically have become mercenaries. They go wherever they get the best offer. I don't hear too much about lifelong employees, which was the mantra that our parents grew up in. "Stay loyal, be that 40-45 year employee, everything will be fine." Things are much different now. Heck, even I was looking to relocate a few years back, until my company changed some things (and the nice position I now have).

You. Are. Replaceable.
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SMDH. You are hopeless. My advice to you is don't get hurt on the job and don't have an accident.

When you're in a union like me you may be replaceable but you don't go anywhere without a fight.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
SMDH. You are hopeless. My advice to you is don't get hurt on the job and don't have an accident.

When you're in a union like me you may be replaceable but you don't go anywhere without a fight.
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When I said you are replaceable, you are. Union or no, if you wanted to find a job/career now, I bet you could, with your experience. I know I could. My point is, employees are in power now. You don't give them a fair offer? They'll move on. Don't think that they won't. I simply don't think a federally mandated "living wage" is the key to the problem.
 
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Capital has too much power so let's not claw back power for labor?

<img src="https://thefreshtoast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bbc-new-meme-hood-documentary-1068x580.jpg" height=300>
 
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Kepler said:
Capital has too much power so let's not claw back power for labor?

<img src="https://thefreshtoast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bbc-new-meme-hood-documentary-1068x580.jpg" height=300>
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Labor is slowly winning. Blue collar is paying for college, just to get workers.
 
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Says the guy who thinks labor is winning despite all data and evidence showing the opposite while also proclaiming that his blue collar career is indispensable while other blue collar jobs that are probably just as skilled and labor intensive aren’t.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Says the guy who thinks labor is winning despite all data and evidence showing the opposite while also proclaiming that his blue collar career is indispensable while other blue collar jobs that are probably just as skilled and labor intensive aren’t.
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It's a slow war. The mere idea of this living wage is proof of it. While I disagree with it, it is gaining steam. Slow is the person who fails to realize that. Remember, one can be on the opposite side, yet still see the long term results.

And my job is not indespensable, yet. It may become so, it may not. I'm fighting to keep it the latter.
 
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The Rube said:
It's a slow war. The mere idea of this living wage is proof of it. While I disagree with it, it is gaining steam. Slow is the person who fails to realize that. Remember, one can be on the opposite side, yet still see the long term results.

And my job is not indespensable, yet. It may become so, it may not. I'm fighting to keep it the latter.
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Comparing the idea of a living wage versus 40 years of the rich fleecing this nation is laughable. As far as a "slow war" is concerned, Labor is fighting a guerilla war in America because Corporations already occupy it.
 
Kepler said:
So I missed the debate entirely. My take from the PBP here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Warren rocked
Biden drooled
Bernie may not even have shown up
Klobouchar, wait, cried?
Tulsi, who did show up, was an idiot
Nobody else should have bothered but Steyer is ugly

Fair summary?
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Buttigieg had the best night of the bunch of the part I watched
 
dxmnkd316 said:
**** off. That wasn't being condescending. That was explaining because everyone I've explained that to so far didn't know that's where it came from.

When have I EVER made a comment disparaging your job? You can take your sanctimonious martyrdom crap elsewhere.
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But he sure has made plenty disparaging comments about people who work at "McJobs"

"Buck up, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and get yourself a "real job". Like me".
 
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Jimjamesak said:
SMDH. You are hopeless. My advice to you is don't get hurt on the job and don't have an accident.

When you're in a union like me you may be replaceable but you don't go anywhere without a fight.
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Yeah, the first major injury or illness he gets, we'll see how "not replaceable" he is in his "career"

But maybe they won't replace him. He's impressive, after all.
 
Kepler said:
Capital has too much power so let's not claw back power for labor?

<img src="https://thefreshtoast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bbc-new-meme-hood-documentary-1068x580.jpg" height=300>
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Rube says labor has all the power.
 
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Listening to the reports on the debate. Does anyone really not realize that if Medicare for All passes that means no more insurance premiums? For anyone? That's a huge expense. I can afford to pay a little more in taxes if I'm no longer paying that crap. And it is crap.

Had an MRI for a cyst on my pancreas. This was diagnosed over 2 years ago. I have to have it checked every 2 years. They're watching for growth. My insurance company just denied the claim for the MRI calling it medically unnecessary. Not only that but they FARM OUT the denials to another company.

Yeah, that's a great ****ing system. **** insurance. And, Amy, stop whining.
 
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