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2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia

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Handyman said:
Honestly...if I was on Beto's staff right now I take the AR-15 comment (and the reaction to it) and go for broke.
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I think this is the best move for him. We are obviously moving towards a post-gun society. It won't happen tomorrow but it's coming. Beto should establish that as his signature item. He should get in on the ground floor as The Man Who Stands Up To The Fondlers while everybody else is still hairsplitting. TX is moving purple and he can drag it over the finish line as Governor and turn "don't mess with Texas" machismo into attacking not just the NRA but Wall Street, the Plutes, Big Pharma, the MIC -- all the 20th Century ancien regime villains.

Authentic Straight Talker is a great shtick -- people respond to it on both sides of the aisle. Add that he's hot and does right by Latinos and he's on his way. It's a long term project -- 20 years or more -- but he's young; he's got the time.
 
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Kepler said:
90% of the Democratic electorate have not even started paying attention yet. We have an extremely warped view because we never stop breathing in political fumes but the people who will decide this -- The Great Lo Fo Mr. and Ms. Average -- have not thought about 2020 yet.

This hasn't "gone on too long." It literally has not even started. You are advocating replacing the pre-1970s smoke filled room with a post-2010 internet chat room. No. The cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy*. That means the pre-season is going to have pitchers in camp with uniform numbers in the 70s and 80s.

* It's strange that the most extreme intellectual snob on the Cafe should have to be the one to remind people of this.
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I am sorry but you dont get to play the democracy card when talking about the Democratic Primaries. It has zero to do with democracy in any way and never has. If that was the idea we would see way more townhalls than we do.

And it has started...it started in 2016 and never stopped. These people have been campaigning for years already. What did we learn last night we didnt know outside of that Beto wants to take your guns away? Nothing...because this whole system isnt set up to actually learn about the candidates it is so the Dems can play their version of The Apprentice because they saw it worked for Trump. Problem is they arent as good at it and Joe Biden /= Trump.

Your problem is you assume people are going to care more in 6 months than they do now. That is false. What the GOP gets and you seem not to understand is you have to make them care about something by hammering the point home long before it matters. People may not be campaigning for anyone but they still hear what is going on and what is being said. If no one is allowed to put forth any real agenda by the time it "starts" it will be too late. All we will hear from people is "I am not really sure what the person even stands for". (I am speaking of the people you say arent involved...not us who care now)

You want to keep 20 around fine. Drop the debate crap then cause it doesnt work. If you want to actually talk issues you cant have 10 people all fighting each other. There isnt enough time or space for that. Campaign more, debate less.
 
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Handyman said:
You want to keep 20 around fine. Drop the debate crap then cause it doesnt work. If you want to actually talk issues you cant have 10 people all fighting each other. There isnt enough time or space for that. Campaign more, debate less.
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I agree with this entirely. These debates are way too early.

I suggests the candidates split into 1-on-1 debates. Have real debate moderators run them, not network hairdos. Use real debate rules. Have them all online, no live audience. That's how you hammer out substantive policy and explore differences. The frauds will be exposed immediately -- imagine Warren vs Gabbard or Biden vs Williamson. These performances will drive media narratives which will drive money.

That's how you put policy first and kill the horse race.
 
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Poor Grandpa Joe

Tomorrow is a keen day. Me and Janey are going to Woolworth's for Malteds, then to the Nickelodeon to see the new talkies and finally I'm taking her to the sock-hop! It's going to be swell!
 
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After 40 years in DC, you'd think there would be more dirty laundry that would finally take Biden out of this thing.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
After 40 years in DC, you'd think there would be more dirty laundry that would finally take Biden out of this thing.
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Former Cardinal McCarrick plied his trade in and about DC under the very noses of the powerful. Nobody said anything despite the reports and whispers.

If you're liked, you get a pass. If they dislike you, the skeletons will come out
 
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Handyman said:
Anyone is...but his Old Man shtick is working and is nullifying the age gap.
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IDK if it's working though, he's dipped in the polls considerably despite the fact that he theoretically should've just cruised on name recognition alone. There's all sorts of reports that his team is limiting his media/public exposure and are concerned about how things have been going.

As for the youth it depends, you have some like AOC who are too young to run and the younger ones who are currently running have an uninspiring history, talk out both sides of their mouth, are in it for vanity reasons (Beto), or just don't have any real solutions to solve the ongoing issues with capitalism and globalization.
 
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I have some bad news for those who want smaller debates. Tom Hoyer has qualified for the fourth debate, so there will be at least 11 (insert Spinal Tap joke here). Tulsi Gabbard needs two more qualifying polls to make it a dozen. The debate will again be broken up into two nights, 15 and 16 October.
 
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Who?

Getting sick of this - Dems needed to shut this sh*t down and cut to 8 or even 6 yesterday. Instead, they're terrified of being accused of SENANCIANS again like in 2016.
 
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Slap Shot said:
That's on the DNC then not ABC.
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IDK if the DNC has that much say as far as what happens on the fly during the debate. ABC and the moderators have control over whether Bernie and Warren get to talk over a 30 min span though.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Also the problem isn’t so much the number of people, it’s ABC’s incompetency and thinking that people actually care what Cory Booker and Kampala think.
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Well, along with Warren, and Beto for his anti-gun stance, they were the other two best candidates on stage last night.
 
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Handyman said:
And it has started...it started in 2016 and never stopped. These people have been campaigning for years already. What did we learn last night we didnt know outside of that Beto wants to take your guns away? Nothing...
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It's not for YOU to learn anything about the candidates. It's for the average dumfuk out there to learn something about the candidate that doesn't come from Dimwit Donnie's flapping yap.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
After 40 years in DC, you'd think there would be more dirty laundry that would finally take Biden out of this thing.
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Don't worry, Rudy's working on it. Only problem is he won't unleash it until Grandpa Joe's the nominee.
 
rufus said:
Well, along with Warren, and Beto for his anti-gun stance, they were the other two best candidates on stage last night.
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Yeah idk, I didn’t think Warren even had that great a night. Mostly what I remember of Kamala was her desperately trying to gain Trump’s attention at one point and sounding somewhat intoxicated. Idk if I remember anything specific that Booker talked about other than being one of the few who supposedly backs Medicare for All.

That said it was a pretty ho hum debate overall even compared to the previous ones.
 
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rufus said:
It's not for YOU to learn anything about the candidates. It's for the average dumfuk out there to learn something about the candidate that doesn't come from Dimwit Donnie's flapping yap.
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And what did THEY learn? Zilch. At least with a stump speech you get to learn the basic platform...this crap is worthless.

If the people that care dont really even care about this dog and pony show...why would the average dumfuk?

This isnt the 2016 GOP debates...this is the 2012 GOP Debates where no one made any impact and milquetoast Romney came out of it.
 
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