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2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia

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ticapnews said:
Primary season is not the time to gather 'round the campfire and sing Kumbaya. Primary season is a time for candidates to show us what differentiates them from other Democrats (or Republicans). That doesn't mean they have to be nasty, they just have to stay on message. Have any of the candidates or campaigns (not supporters) attacked other Democrats? Well, other than Biden... It's been apparent from the beginning that Warren and Sanders have a non-aggression pact, and that likely holds true for most other candidates. Have Booker and Mayor Pete had a knife fight when I wasn't watching?

Up until primary (or caucus) day the supporters are mortal enemies. Afterwards they aren't. Say what you like about "Bernie Bros" but a higher percentage of them voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008. It doesn't get the spotlight because Obama-McCain wasn't as razor-thin as Trump-Clinton.
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**speaking only for me**

I think the candidates are playing it fine. The problem lies in their supporters. So both you and Kepler are right. The candidates should show their differences but their supporters should be able to say "I like my guy/girl...but ultimately whoever wins has my support". We need to make sure that we all are debating but not spitting on each other.
 
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Rover said:
Sorry that doesn't fly. One can see reasons for voting for McCain (war record, previous history as maverick, etc) if you were a more conservative Dem.
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Austerity, forever wars, and thinly veiled racism are totally acceptable reasons to vote for someone over the first black president who campaigned on the opposite during a financial crisis (that in your words was entirely caused by the Republicans).
 
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Handyman said:
**speaking only for me**

I think the candidates are playing it fine. The problem lies in their supporters. So both you and Kepler are right. The candidates should show their differences but their supporters should be able to say "I like my guy/girl...but ultimately whoever wins has my support". We need to make sure that we all are debating but not spitting on each other.
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Yes. The problem is support for X has turned into "I must destroy Not X." But for the majority of us Not X is going to be our nominee. So, cut the sh-t.

Support your X. Point out policy differences. But when you start cutting on the other candidates' character you are destroying our chances to beat Nazis. Actual, non-metaphorical Nazis. Compared to that, quite frankly, who cares about your preference of one X or the other? F-cking step back and put yourself in perspective. Your favorite ice cream flavor doesn't matter compared to beating Nazis.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Yeah it's an incredibly dumb statement hence why I made the post. I mean I'm sure some Palestinian who was recovering from a sniper wound while protesting the apartheid state really thinks there was a 1% difference after their hospital got bombed.
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You didn't say the statement itself was stupid you said, "you're dumb enough..". You can disagree with anyone as much as you want, but leave your unearned arrogance in the trash. Or double down and then gfy.
 
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Kepler said:
I don't know why but I'm going to bother again.

No liberal Bernie supporter voted for Dump or stayed home -- we all voted for Hillary. But not all Bernie supporters were liberals. There were people who loved Bernie who loved Ron Paul -- 180 degrees different -- before him! There were people who wanted to burn the whole two party system to the ground because they saw it as a cartel used by the rich to carve the rest of us up. Those were the Bernie supporters who jumped to Dump or Stein or stayed home.

Any radical reformer will attract some people who want the substance of the reform and think a radical approach is the best way to get there but also some people who are attracted by the radicalism and don't care about the content. There are people who just want to throw the Molotov cocktail, and if it's for the left today or the right tomorrow that's not a contradiction for them.
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This is absurd even for you and makes me think you've been chugging too much top shelf booze at the plutocrat funded Beltway cocktail parties you attend nightly. While the people you describe certainly are a factor, I'm sorry but the notion that the millions of butthurt Sanders voters who believed the conspiracy theories that you yourself wallowed in and voted for Trump out of anger don't actually exist is ridiculous.
 
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I think we all agree ad hom makes the poster look like a fool and destroys his argument and that we all have fallen into it during emotional exchanges because we are human beings.

The best we can do is try not to and if we do then apologize and don't double down, and if somebody apologizes then accept it.

We're fighting Nazis, folks. This is not a dress rehearsal. People have been moaning about not having a great war to give their lives meaning since Fight Club, well, this is it. Beat these vile, disgusting, imbecilic, vicious f-cks and save the world so we can all sit fat and happy with our grandchildren someday and think, "Hey -- I did something important and heroic. I didn't sit and whine, I stopped an American Hitler and his loser brownshirt cowards."

All of us: be something to be proud of. Take one for the team.
 
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If the candidate someone supports has potential flaws that can easily be exploited by a specific type of opposing candidate (who's good at painting other candidates as being dishonest) then yeah it's worth bringing up during a primary when the goal is to find the best person to beat said opposition. Now obviously we disagree on how much of a problem it'd be in a general especially when compared to Bernie being 5 years older than Trump but let's not act like it's wise to bury our head in the sand like everyone did in 2016 re Hillary.
 
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Rover said:
Sorry that doesn't fly. One can see reasons for voting for McCain (war record, previous history as maverick, etc) if you were a more conservative Dem. There is ZERO reason for a Bernie supporter to vote for Chump. Its practically treason. They could have either stayed home or voted for Russian plant Jill Stein if they felt that strongly about it.
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You conveniently forgot race as a factor, but that's OK.

Most of us who didn't vote for Hillary did stay home or vote for a different candidate. The exception was union workers who supported Bernie in the primaries and then voted for Sniffles in the general. Why? Because Sniffles was supposed to be pro-union. We warned them it was a lie, but they voted for him anyway.
 
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trixR4kids said:
If the candidate someone supports has potential flaws that can easily be exploited by a specific type of opposing candidate (who's good at painting other candidates as being dishonest) then yeah it's worth bringing up during a primary when the goal is to find the best person to beat said opposition. Now obviously we disagree on how much of a problem it'd be in a general especially when compared to Bernie being 5 years older than Trump but let's not act like it's wise to bury our head in the sand like everyone did in 2016 re Hillary.
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but when anyone brings up an easily exploitable flaw in Bernie you stick your head in the sand and call us all idiots.
 
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BassAle said:
but when anyone brings up an easily exploitable flaw in Bernie you stick your head in the sand and call us all idiots.
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No I said that Bernie being five years older than Trump and being in objectively better health isn't going to stick as well as him portraying Warren as being another dishonest elite to the voters of WI, MI, PA etc. We can agree to disagree on that point but no that's not the same thing as what others are doing here where they literally won't even acknowledge it as a potential issue.
 
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Slap Shot said:
You didn't say the statement itself was stupid you said, "you're dumb enough..". You can disagree with anyone as much as you want, but leave your unearned arrogance in the trash. Or double down and then gfy.
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Well it's pretty obviously implied that we're talking in the context of that specific talking point and not every single topic imaginable and yes you'd have to be pretty dumb to make the assessment that they're 1% different from each other at this juncture. It's not even clear whether one of them supports M4A so that alone is a much bigger than 1% difference.

And he literally called me an idiot a few pages back but you said nothing unsurprisingly so maybe take your own advice in that last sentence ;)
 
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Me opening this thread:

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Me, every time Rover trolls Kepler again:

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GOP: don't mess with Warren. She is smarter than you are.

And these are available now:

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ScoobyDoo said:
That's a fantastic story. Her campaign is very good on social media.
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Yes. Her people are very quick. I think she has a young shop and they're all obviously brilliant.

Much like Sanders, Warren translates very well to The Kids. It's funny how stiff and fake Harris, Booker, and Castro, who are significantly younger, come off.

Basically, Bernie is a socialist, Warren is a professor, and the other three are born and bred politicians, and we're all just sick to death of politicians.
 
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