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2020 Democratic Challengers IV: Culling the Herd

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Slap Shot said:
Good Lord.
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I agree with him. If you are stupid enough to try and storm a military base because of some conspiracy theory you get little to no sympathy from me. That isnt Authoritarianism that is common sense and Darwinism.

You want to protest the war at a base...perfect. If you want to go in guns blazing looking for Aliens you might want to up your meds.
 
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Handyman said:
This myth that the GOP just became this evil is ridiculous. It has always been there, it just usually had some resistance from the Old Guard who just wanted to make money and not care. The second the Neo-Cons and Tea Partiers gained traction there was no going back.
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Conservatism has Reaction at its core. For every Republican who honestly cares about, or can even spell, Edmund Burke, there are 99 who just want to stick it to the n-ggers.

Even at their best the Right always has one foot in the sewer. The only difference is since 1994 it's been both feet, and then in 2016 they got down and rolled around in it panting with their mouths open.
 
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Handyman said:
That is such a straw man...very rarely are riots planned. It is almost always a more spontaneous response to something that happened.

And see we live in a society now filled with people who want harm done to protesters if they dare inconvenience them for 5 seconds so the voice of the people is being lost. That happens long enough and people are going to lash out. That doesnt make violence right, but if it was being done to me I cant say I would act the same way.

Riots are awful but sooner or later they might become a necessary means to an end. When protests and elections dont make things better you gotta be able to do something.
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What the hell do you think happened at Stonewall? Those who were there that night had enough, and the cops ran from LGBT for the first time in FOREVER.
 
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Cue James Cagney - "All right. Who did it? Who let this clown on the stage?" Pulver?

Andrew Yang Becomes 9th Democrat to Qualify for the Next Debate https://t.co/FVhrkEOz1s
 
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joecct said:
Cue James Cagney - "All right. Who did it? Who let this clown on the stage?" Pulver?

Andrew Yang Becomes 9th Democrat to Qualify for the Next Debate https://t.co/FVhrkEOz1s
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He got 2% in four different polls? Really?

He must be raking on internet polls where his Siliconbros are.

538 should be consulted on credentialing polls. They already grade them. Have a rule where nothing below a B poll counts.

Here's the thing: I love what Yang is doing, but I also know he doesn't belong there now.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Lmfao he has one horribly implemented idea and that's basically all anyone knows him for.
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It's not "implemented" in any way.

His campaign's purpose is to inject UBI into the national discourse. It's working. People are talking about it. It's at the "first they laugh at you" stage but before it was at the "zeroeth they give you a blank look and edge towards the door" stage. We are at Universal Health Care circa 1975.

UBI is 40 years off but it's coming unless we bomb ourselves back to where unskilled labor is rewardable work or we begin to fully educate our entire population beyond the animal training of our current system so everybody can do skilled, fulfilling, human work. Since the latter will never happen under a profit-centric economic system we better all hope the former doesn't happen and UBI becomes inevitable.

A day is coming when the MAGAts will be literally unemployable. We're almost there already. Without some way of taking care of them we're headed for a fascism even Republicans won't want to face.
 
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If you want to say he got a discourse about UBI started then I agree. But his version is absolutely horrible and there's a reason he has a bunch of disgruntled alt-right chuds supporting him.
 
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trixR4kids said:
If you want to say he got a discourse about UBI started then I agree. But his version is absolutely horrible and there's a reason he has a bunch of disgruntled alt-right chuds supporting him.
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He doesn't have any "vision" at all that I can see. He's a hopped-up self-important VC with no ability to relate to anybody who isn't fluent in Bay Area Bitcoin Billionaire Bullsh-t. His type (Tim Draper, et al.) are douc-hebags of the first order but even they sometimes fall over somebody else's useful idea.

UBI will be a boilerplate Democratic plank by 2050 and a USG reality by 2060. Good for him for starting the ball rolling. He doesn't have to be America's sweetheart.
 
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Castro and Tulsi have hit the donor marks, but still need to qualify in the polls.

Steyer is also close to the poll requirement, but is trying to make up ground in the donor requirement by asking for one dollar donations. If he really cared he'd be dumping money into purple districts.

I still haven't decided if it's better to get it cut down to one night, or if it would be better for two smaller debates if it gets to 11 qualifiers.
 
aparch said:
So people of Flint who are being poisoned with lead tainted water needs to just shut up and drink the water? Mothers of kids shot in Chicago should just shut up and let the blood paint the streets? Poor rural Americans who do not have access to healthcare should just sit in their homes and die? Palestinians should just welcome Israel bulldozers to demolish their land and commit self genocide? Miss Thundercat should be told to use the bathroom at her house because she's not welcome to use public restrooms?

Yep.
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You really don’t see any alternatives that are something between rioting and sitting at home to die?
 
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Even the civil rights movement was backed by the credible threat of violence.
 
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Handyman said:
I agree with him. If you are stupid enough to try and storm a military base because of some conspiracy theory you get little to no sympathy from me. That isnt Authoritarianism that is common sense and Darwinism.

You want to protest the war at a base...perfect. If you want to go in guns blazing looking for Aliens you might want to up your meds.
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They have signs up that specifically say you will be shot. It's a TOP SECRET BASE. Yet they plan to move forward with their storming of the gates? Good luck with that. I mean, we ridicule idiots who climb into zoo cages despite the warning signs, and we're going to NOT blame the stormers for something like this? Jesus.

And yes, it's not either riots or nothing. There are in-betweens. Let's find that part of it.
 
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