2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Massive change doesn't happen.

If not now, when? If not us, who?

We aren't recommending radical change. We are recommending the end of the radical experiment of the last 38 years. Milton Friedman was wrong. He had a theory and all the other economists said "if you do that you just hollow out the middle class and turn the rich into super rich." And that's exactly what happened. Supply side was a crackpot theory. It has been debunked.

It is not radical to remove the patient from a hospital run by charlatans. Keynes is right; Hayek is wrong. Austrian economics is a fraud. It's over.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

You are talking to a person who doesnt understand how tax brackets work...best to just move on

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I find it interesting that everyone loves Kloubuchar but she's the one getting treated the most like Clinton this cycle. Apparently she's just a massive *****. New story out today is she berated a staffer for forgetting utensils and ate a salad with a comb.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A few thoughts on Minnesota’s ice queen, <a href="https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@amyklobuchar</a>: <a href="https://t.co/7bR1Dsilcj">https://t.co/7bR1Dsilcj</a></p>— Graeme Wood (@gcaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/gcaw/status/1099323502421782529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[unofan]

I find it interesting that everyone loves Kloubuchar but she's the one getting treated the most like Clinton this cycle. Apparently she's just a massive *****. New story out today is she berated a staffer for forgetting utensils and ate a salad with a comb.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A few thoughts on Minnesota’s ice queen, <a href="https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@amyklobuchar</a>: <a href="https://t.co/7bR1Dsilcj">https://t.co/7bR1Dsilcj</a></p>— Graeme Wood (@gcaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/gcaw/status/1099323502421782529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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The comb story, whatever.

The underlying fact that she had the highest staff turnover in Congress for years? That's troubling, considering how many asshats are in Congress.

Anyone who's ever had a boss that treats employees like that has stories. And many may seem trivial in isolation, but death by 1000 paper cuts is still death.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

If not now, when? If not us, who?

We aren't recommending radical change. We are recommending the end of the radical experiment of the last 38 years. Milton Friedman was wrong. He had a theory and all the other economists said "if you do that you just hollow out the middle class and turn the rich into super rich." And that's exactly what happened. Supply side was a crackpot theory. It has been debunked.

It is not radical to remove the patient from a hospital run by charlatans. Keynes is right; Hayek is wrong. Austrian economics is a fraud. It's over.

You can't tell me that you're not old enough to know that change always comes. Sure there are always bigots, but LGBTQ rights are in a different stratosphere than when we were in the 80s. We need to win the election. Period. And then we can run the country from the left until we get kicked out for it. ok?

Why is it that every single GOP candidate races to the center every single election and they always punch above their weight. And why on the other hand do liberals think we should race to the left prior to election time - when no policy actually happens prior to election time? Can we please just get a D elected first? I do not want another 4 years of Trump.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

The comb story, whatever.

The underlying fact that she had the highest staff turnover in Congress for years? That's troubling, considering how many asshats are in Congress.

Anyone who's ever had a boss that treats employees like that has stories. And many may seem trivial in isolation, but death by 1000 paper cuts is still death.

Candidates are going to have tons of enemies. I can recall Obama got exceedingly bad press from some surprising circles. He turned out just fine (unless Lincoln was the only president that will ever meet your standards).

Can we not just buy into everyone's hype story over a year and a half before the election. Everyone esp the press has an agenda. The NYT was running negative ads on her months ago for entirely different reasons that were weak.

Even in a worse case scenario...if hypothetically she gave a staffer tough love, would that make her a terrible president? In the end, can we pls weed out unelectable candidates first. If she belongs there...let her at least deserve it like every other candidate.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Candidates are going to have tons of enemies. I can recall Obama got exceedingly bad press from some surprising circles. He turned out just fine (unless Lincoln was the only president that will ever meet your standards).

Can we not just buy into everyone's hype story over a year and a half before the election. Everyone esp the press has an agenda. The NYT was running negative ads on her months ago for entirely different reasons that were weak.

Even in a worse case scenario...if hypothetically she gave a staffer tough love, would that make her a terrible president? In the end, can we pls weed out unelectable candidates first. If she belongs there...let her at least deserve it like every other candidate.

I actually know someone who worked on her staff. She said it was horrible. Worst job she ever had and it wasn’t close. This isn’t just an anecdote. It’s a pattern. I don’t care if she is a total arse to her staff. But when they have the highest turnover in congress, that’s indicative of a bigger problem and not just a tough boss. It’s a culture problem. And if she can’t crrate a culture of dedicated and loyal staffers, she’s going to run into issues. You don’t need to make friends in congress necessarily. But the president is a coalition builder.

I still have her near the top of my list but uno isn’t wrong.

Edit: And your last paragraph doesn’t make sense following your first and second. Your first two say, “Let’s not buy into all the bad press about a candidate.” Your third says, “Weed out the bad candidates.” How do you think that’s accomplished?

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I actually know someone who worked on her staff. She said it was horrible. Worst job she ever had and it wasn’t close. This isn’t just an anecdote. It’s a pattern. I don’t care if she is a total arse to her staff. But when they have the highest turnover in congress, that’s indicative of a bigger problem and not just a tough boss. It’s a culture problem. And if she can’t crrate a culture of dedicated and loyal staffers, she’s going to run into issues. You don’t need to make friends in congress necessarily. But the president is a coalition builder.

I still have her near the top of my list but uno isn’t wrong.

Edit: And your last paragraph doesn’t make sense following your first and second. Your first two say, “Let’s not buy into all the bad press about a candidate.” Your third says, “Weed out the bad candidates.” How do you think that’s accomplished?

She'd have the same issues that Trump has with leaks while not being an open treasonous criminal

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I have a close friend that was her chief of staff for a long time. Saw more of her than many other employees would have.
They have never said worst job ever. They’ve also never said it was easy.

 

[unofan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I have a close friend that was her chief of staff for a long time. Saw more of her than many other employees would have.
They have never said worst job ever. They’ve also never said it was easy.

Chief of staff has a little more ability to push back than a low level intern or entry level staffer. Just saying.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Chief of staff has a little more ability to push back than a low level intern or entry level staffer. Just saying.

But they also get a lot of her attention and frustration.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I doubt they get berated as badly when they actually have some power to stand up to her.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I mean I’d hear her through the phone all the time while we’d be out. She certainly didn’t stand down to her high level staff.
This person has said several times she’s not fit for a national campaign.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Trump will probably label her A55hole Amy, and it will stick, and that will be the end of her as a serious candidate because America is dumb.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Shame how all you guys hate women.... “too tough. B1tchie”

Sad....

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Trump will probably label her A55hole Amy, and it will stick, and that will be the end of her as a serious candidate because America is dumb.

And he’s such a nice guy himself.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I actually know someone who worked on her staff. She said it was horrible. Worst job she ever had and it wasn’t close. This isn’t just an anecdote. It’s a pattern. I don’t care if she is a total arse to her staff. But when they have the highest turnover in congress, that’s indicative of a bigger problem and not just a tough boss. It’s a culture problem. And if she can’t crrate a culture of dedicated and loyal staffers, she’s going to run into issues. You don’t need to make friends in congress necessarily. But the president is a coalition builder.

I still have her near the top of my list but uno isn’t wrong.

Edit: And your last paragraph doesn’t make sense following your first and second. Your first two say, “Let’s not buy into all the bad press about a candidate.” Your third says, “Weed out the bad candidates.” How do you think that’s accomplished?

Ok. That's probably enough to give credibility to the story.

I'd also agree that a midwestern pragmatic D president whose willing to both compromise but be very tough still sounds like they're one of the best candidates running.

 

[The Rube]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

As of right now, if that's the biggest issue with her...still not concerned enough to eliminate her.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

As of right now, if that's the biggest issue with her...still not concerned enough to eliminate her.

I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. But if she's a ***** she's not going to get enough votes for the nomination, never the less the Presidency. Is that not the key trait that everyone hated about Hillary? I think so. People vote on emotion more than intellect. Calling a woman a ***** is an emotional response.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. But if she's a ***** she's not going to get enough votes for the nomination, never the less the Presidency. Is that not the key trait that everyone hated about Hillary? I think so. People vote on emotion more than intellect. Calling a woman a ***** is an emotional response.

<Matthew mcconaughey voice>
It’d be way cooler if she just stiffed contractors and laborers and declared bankruptcy every few years. That’s tough and cool