2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Others had no problem following what I was saying. Only you. Point out once where I disparaged one of the Democratic candidates in this cycle. You can't. Don't call me a Bernie Bro. I voted for Clinton. I voted for Gore. I voted for Kerry.

There is nothing extreme about any of the Democratic candidates. That was what was implied and inferred. And it wasn't just me who saw it.

And it wasnt just me who questioned you. Go back and read the sequence of posts it isnt an unreasonable interpretation of what you posted. I will mea culpa though that I misinterpreted it.

Maybe it would have made more sense if you asked him what he meant by extreme? Maybe he means in attitude not policy. (he has gone on record before as supporting quite a few things that will end up on the agenda most likely) That is a concern for a few of the candidates and Dems say that as much as anyone. Or maybe he means Bernie who himself would say he is an extremist on many of these things. (though Kepler wishes he was MORE extreme )

Personally, right now, anyone who wants to support any candidate on this side of the aisle is welcome no matter their reason. My only caveat is Tulsi Gabbard...if that is who you cross the aisle for then feel free to stay with the crazies cause she is a loonbat.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

And it wasnt just me who questioned you. Go back and read the sequence of posts it isnt an unreasonable interpretation of what you posted. I will mea culpa though that I misinterpreted it.

Maybe it would have made more sense if you asked him what he meant by extreme? Maybe he means in attitude not policy. (he has gone on record before as supporting quite a few things that will end up on the agenda most likely) That is a concern for a few of the candidates and Dems say that as much as anyone. Or maybe he means Bernie who himself would say he is an extremist on many of these things. (though Kepler wishes he was MORE extreme )

Personally, right now, anyone who wants to support any candidate on this side of the aisle is welcome no matter their reason. My only caveat is Tulsi Gabbard...if that is who you cross the aisle for then feel free to stay with the crazies cause she is a loonbat.

I already know what he means by extreme. Again, what board have you been reading?

 

[unofan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Assuming everyone expected to run actually runs, I'd put money on Biden, Harris, or Beto and lay the field.

As far as who I'd personally want, not sure yet. Get back to me at caucus time.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Assuming everyone expected to run actually runs, I'd put money on Biden, Harris, or Beto and lay the field.

As far as who I'd personally want, not sure yet. Get back to me at caucus time.

Of those three the only one that interests me is Harris. i would gladly vote for any of the three.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Sure that's great. But, see, I already know he won't vote for any other Democrat. And the likelihood of her being the candidate is slim and none. So, I'm going to protect the field not just one voter who likes only one candidate.

You deny he thinks that all the other Dem nominees are extreme? Really? What board have you been reading?

Fly off the handle? All I did was point out what Democrats want.

If the candidate was Klobuchar I would bet he would yes. If the candidate was Cory Booker or Kamala Harris I doubt it. If it was Joe Biden I would also bet he would. I have read the board plenty thank you.

But honestly I dont care. If he chooses to vote stupid that is his business not mine. Right now he is supporting one of ours so I will leave him alone over it. If he starts spouting off crap about not voting or going third party then I will say the same crap to him then that I did in 2016. Unlike you I can tailor my arguments for various conversations since they arent regurgitated talking points

Speaking of which isnt it about time for you to list all of the losers from previous years

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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If the candidate was Klobuchar I would bet he would yes. If the candidate was Cory Booker or Kamala Harris I doubt it. If it was Joe Biden I would also bet he would. I have read the board plenty thank you.

But honestly I dont care. If he chooses to vote stupid that is his business not mine. Right now he is supporting one of ours so I will leave him alone over it. If he starts spouting off crap about not voting or going third party then I will say the same crap to him then that I did in 2016. Unlike you I can tailor my arguments for various conversations since they arent regurgitated talking points

Speaking of which isnt it about time for you to list all of the losers from previous years

It's been pretty obvious that this country never learns anything from history. Which means my High School history teacher lied to me. He said that we study history so we don't repeat it. We love to repeat things in the United States. The heist started in 1980 and we still haven't learned a damm thing from it.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Assuming everyone expected to run actually runs, I'd put money on Biden, Harris, or Beto and lay the field.

As far as who I'd personally want, not sure yet. Get back to me at caucus time.

I cant bet on Biden. It is like people who are betting on the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl next year...I just feel like something will get in the way by the time we get there.

I think Beto is who I would put money on right now...his charisma is off the charts. If he doesnt go into attack mode and says positive he could really sit back and watch as the rest eat their own. If he can get into the final 3 and mimic his run against Ted Cruz he could be really really tough to beat. Plus the suburbs love him and he helps down ballot even in Red areas of friggin Texas. As long as he avoids scandal he is going to be tough to beat.

I personally have been on the Kamala Harris bandwagon since 2016 but I dunno for some reason I just feel like this might not be going the right way for her. Cant put my finger on why I just feel like maybe she is lagging behind a bit. Maybe it is cause she is from California and right now the Coasts are kind of taboo...I dunno. If I had 1 vote though in the field right now she would get it.

Of the rest Amy is really the only one I like and I can categorically say it isnt cause she is my senator. I like the idea of contrasting Trump with her and I think her likability will be pretty high. She has lots of issues though but with a field this large she has plenty of time to hide them and work on them before things get serious. Hopefuly though if things dont look good she gets out fast though and goes nowhere near the VP spot because she is way better in the Senate.

I will say, if Biden got the nod it would be interesting to see which way he goes for VP. I think Biden/Beto would be pretty tough to stop (Beto vs. Pence in the VP debates would be must watch TV) but honestly any combo of Harris and Beto (to own the Cons) could cause the South to burn worse than during Sherman's March to the Sea

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

It's been pretty obvious that this country never learns anything from history. Which means my High School history teacher lied to me. He said that we study history so we don't repeat it. We love to repeat things in the United States. The heist started in 1980 and we still haven't learned a damm thing from it.

The expression* is "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." It doesn't say anything about people who do remember the past.

* George Santayana, who I mix up with George Costanza**, who I mix up with Carlos Santana, who I mix up with George Santayana.

** Seinfeld sucks.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I cant bet on Biden. It is like people who are betting on the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl next year...I just feel like something will get in the way by the time we get there.

Biden's like your fall back candidate. Say some new progressive or two is catching fire but then there's something in their past that comes out that completely disqualifies them (like, I don't know...dressing up like a KKK member for a yearbook picture ). At that point party voters might decide to go with a dude who's been vetted for like the past 50 years and for all his faults its not like Joe is an unpopular guy.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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If Scandinavian, German, and British policies are extremist, then we need a new definition for extreme.

China is the extreme right - statist/crony capitalism with no free elections, an authoritarian justice system, and conservative social norms.

Tough to pick an extreme left example. Venezuela? Myanmar? North Korea? None of them are democracies, and authoritarianism is a right-wing ideology.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I cant bet on Biden. It is like people who are betting on the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl next year...I just feel like something will get in the way by the time we get there.

I think Beto is who I would put money on right now...his charisma is off the charts. If he doesnt go into attack mode and says positive he could really sit back and watch as the rest eat their own. If he can get into the final 3 and mimic his run against Ted Cruz he could be really really tough to beat. Plus the suburbs love him and he helps down ballot even in Red areas of friggin Texas. As long as he avoids scandal he is going to be tough to beat.

I personally have been on the Kamala Harris bandwagon since 2016 but I dunno for some reason I just feel like this might not be going the right way for her. Cant put my finger on why I just feel like maybe she is lagging behind a bit. Maybe it is cause she is from California and right now the Coasts are kind of taboo...I dunno. If I had 1 vote though in the field right now she would get it.

Of the rest Amy is really the only one I like and I can categorically say it isnt cause she is my senator. I like the idea of contrasting Trump with her and I think her likability will be pretty high. She has lots of issues though but with a field this large she has plenty of time to hide them and work on them before things get serious. Hopefuly though if things dont look good she gets out fast though and goes nowhere near the VP spot because she is way better in the Senate.

I will say, if Biden got the nod it would be interesting to see which way he goes for VP. I think Biden/Beto would be pretty tough to stop (Beto vs. Pence in the VP debates would be must watch TV) but honestly any combo of Harris and Beto (to own the Cons) could cause the South to burn worse than during Sherman's March to the Sea

Biden is a rapey sexist, Kamala is a fascist cop, and Klobuchar makes her staffers cry.

Or at least, that's what every fcking Bernout Bot on Twitter is currently bleating at anyone that dares to suggest St. Bernard isn't the answer America needs.

 

[Kepler]

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China and North Korea are kind of "off the charts." I'm not sure it's helpful to think of them as either left or right. States, more than people, kind of "wrap around" as they get more extreme -- both left and right extremists become increasingly anti-democratic. "Extremism" might be best called anti-democraticism. Extremist governments also tend to become militarized because their extremism makes them bad neighbors and they are either expansionist (Nazi Germany, USSR) or hyper-paranoid* (PRC, NK, Iran, Cuba).

Far right: racist, xenophobic, theocratic, corporate-fascistic, hyper-corrupt; the mob's violent rightwing bigotries are written into laws that oppress all but the rich. Best current example: Iran. Rushmore: Nazi Germany, Mussolini Italy, Pinochet Chile, Batista Cuba

Far left: anti-private property, anti-privacy, anti-religious, hyper-bureaucratic; the mob's leftwing ideological excesses are written into laws that oppress all but the vanguard party. Best current example: Venezuela. Rushmore: Maoist PRC, Bolshevik USSR, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, Castro Cuba

You don't want to live under either of them.

There are also ur-right and ur-left authoritarian states: Bismark Prussia and Robespierre France, but they're back far enough that it's really hard to map them to our categories (even though the "right" and "left" nomenclature actually dates from them.) Bonapartist France is a bizarro combination of both, which may not be very surprising since far left and far right seem to "meet" on the dark side of the moon.




* Perhaps not without reason.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

China is the extreme right - statist/crony capitalism with no free elections, an authoritarian justice system, and conservative social norms.

Tough to pick an extreme left example. Venezuela? Myanmar? North Korea? None of them are democracies, and authoritarianism is a right-wing ideology.

china is "communist" can't get any farther left than that

geez louise!!! all y'all tag anything nasty as 'right'

next mookie will read that china is conservative

 

[aparch]

next mookie will read that china is conservative

Well, it is, just not in the American definition.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Well, it is, just not in the American definition.

go fetch mookie a glass of couch!!

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

china is "communist" can't get any farther left than that

geez louise!!! all y'all tag anything nasty as 'right'

next mookie will read that china is conservative

And North Korea is "Democratic."

Li Peng buried communism with Ziyang at Tiananmen Square. You know this, mookie.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

And North Korea is "Democratic."

Li Peng buried communism with Ziyang at Tiananmen Square. You know this, mookie.

Have we ever really had a real communist government? Seems to me the folks who impose it keep more power to themselves then they're supposed to.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Have we ever really had a real communist government? Seems to me the folks who impose it keep more power to themselves then they're supposed to.

Some of the Christian monastic communities managed it. Some of the grassroots Soviets did it before they were rolled up by the Bolshies. But at the national level? Nothing I know of.

 

[trixR4kids]

Biden is a rapey sexist, Kamala is a fascist cop, and Klobuchar makes her staffers cry.

Or at least, that's what every fcking Bernout Bot on Twitter is currently bleating at anyone that dares to suggest St. Bernard isn't the answer America needs.

I don’t think most people would have problems with Klobuchar if she apologized and promised to improve. But doubling down on it and acting like what she did is acceptable (imagine if Bernie threw a binder at a woman) is more the issue with that whole story.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

And North Korea is "Democratic."

Li Peng buried communism with Ziyang at Tiananmen Square. You know this, mookie.

Ziyang is practically an unperson because he got too liberal.