trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
Yeah she is.
Yeah she is.
The 1940's never happened.
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2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
No genius we cant afford any of that. Maybe take 12 seconds to look who you are responding too before you go off on one of your stupid "Scooby Doo Meme Fests" where you repeat the same 4 talking points like Donald Trump during his 3am "Executive Time".
We are drowning in debt and if the plan is to add more to it by funding 4 year college starting in 2020 then please god stay away from my checkbook.
No matter how much we might wish we could just snap our finger and be Sweden we cant be...we need to take the victories we can get not waste it all on pipe dreams that have .01% of happening or not backfiring ridiculously. We need to claw back what was wasted and THEN we can talk about free education. And no that isnt for 4 year degrees (at least not yet) you start with the first two years. (at public university no private) You can get your generals out of the way or go trade school...whatever you want but that is it. That is a passable deal.
But please tell me where we are getting the money. And before you start talking about cutting the military understand NONE of the candidates will actually cut the military the necessary number to fund everything we need funded. Zero. Zilch. Even St. Bernie of the Combover wouldnt do it. Cutting the military is a one way ticket to being a one term president because the military is the worst welfare program we have. So you need to figure out some other way to do it.
No genius we cant afford any of that. Maybe take 12 seconds to look who you are responding too before you go off on one of your stupid "Scooby Doo Meme Fests" where you repeat the same 4 talking points like Donald Trump during his 3am "Executive Time".
We are drowning in debt and if the plan is to add more to it by funding 4 year college starting in 2020 then please god stay away from my checkbook.
No matter how much we might wish we could just snap our finger and be Sweden we cant be...we need to take the victories we can get not waste it all on pipe dreams that have .01% of happening or not backfiring ridiculously. We need to claw back what was wasted and THEN we can talk about free education. And no that isnt for 4 year degrees (at least not yet) you start with the first two years. (at public university no private) You can get your generals out of the way or go trade school...whatever you want but that is it. That is a passable deal.
But please tell me where we are getting the money. And before you start talking about cutting the military understand NONE of the candidates will actually cut the military the necessary number to fund everything we need funded. Zero. Zilch. Even St. Bernie of the Combover wouldnt do it. Cutting the military is a one way ticket to being a one term president because the military is the worst welfare program we have. So you need to figure out some other way to do it.
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
Guy who doesn't understand modern monetary theory says we can't afford it. Shocking
Our national budget/debt doesn't work like a typical house hold, we can take on debt, print money (the most powerful currency on the planet), and afford to pay for these programs the same way we can afford to pay for literally everything else.
Guy who doesn't understand modern monetary theory says we can't afford it. Shocking
Our national budget/debt doesn't work like a typical house hold, we can take on debt, print money (the most powerful currency on the planet), and afford to pay for these programs the same way we can afford to pay for literally everything else.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
It's amazing how everyone in this country has been brainwashed by the GOP through Laffer/Rand. Never ceases to amaze.
It's amazing how everyone in this country has been brainwashed by the GOP through Laffer/Rand. Never ceases to amaze.
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
Yeah but he totally supported Bernie back in the day!
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Where is the money coming from? How much debt do you want to add? Do you acually ever intend to pay for anything or are you just gonna be like the GOP and say "F it!".
You planning on raising tax levels to the 1940s? (since you brought it up) Then you have a point. You wont win the election but hey at least then you would be intellectually honest.
We arent starting from zero here folks. Even if you assume you could change the system over night (you cant) the amount of strain that type of capital investment would have on the economy is ridiculous. Plus you arent just talking about paying for everyone's schooling, you are going to have to forgive everyone's debt. You dont think that is going to cause a few issues?
Where is the money coming from? How much debt do you want to add? Do you acually ever intend to pay for anything or are you just gonna be like the GOP and say "F it!".
You planning on raising tax levels to the 1940s? (since you brought it up) Then you have a point. You wont win the election but hey at least then you would be intellectually honest.
We arent starting from zero here folks. Even if you assume you could change the system over night (you cant) the amount of strain that type of capital investment would have on the economy is ridiculous. Plus you arent just talking about paying for everyone's schooling, you are going to have to forgive everyone's debt. You dont think that is going to cause a few issues?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
The 1.5 trillion we just passed would have paid for it all. And, it would've been a better stimulus. Dream big.
The 1.5 trillion we just passed would have paid for it all. And, it would've been a better stimulus. Dream big.
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Well lets see I had this conversation with two people who were international bankers and taught economics and finance in college. (both of whom arent supply siders) I am going to bet they know more about it than yo and Scooby do. But sure go on with your bad self.
Well lets see I had this conversation with two people who were international bankers and taught economics and finance in college. (both of whom arent supply siders) I am going to bet they know more about it than yo and Scooby do. But sure go on with your bad self.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
Ask them how much good 1.5 trillion can do.
Ask them how much good 1.5 trillion can do.
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
And yes taxes would likely be raised of course.
And I'm sure the bankers you talked to were professors who wrote books about MMT.
Medicare for all will save the American people trillions, so we're not really adding debt there. A Green New Deal could potentially pay for itself as could a college proposal. And yes you can take on debt in the short term to do it, we don't have a budget crisis or whatever Paul Ryan wanted you to believe until Trump became president and suddenly it no longer existed.
And yes taxes would likely be raised of course.
And I'm sure the bankers you talked to were professors who wrote books about MMT.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
I dont disagree. Bu unless you have a way to get that back your whole argument is moot. We COULD HAVE done it, we SHOULD HAVE done it. We didnt and now we need to get our finances back in order or we will be lucky if it doesnt destroy us free college or not.
So again, if you were running tomorrow how would you pay for this? What plan can you devise that wouldnt get you laughed out at the primaries to pay for all of this? If you cant answer that then you arent really adding anything to the conversation. We can all dream big but the President actually has to do something about it and make it work.
I dont disagree. Bu unless you have a way to get that back your whole argument is moot. We COULD HAVE done it, we SHOULD HAVE done it. We didnt and now we need to get our finances back in order or we will be lucky if it doesnt destroy us free college or not.
So again, if you were running tomorrow how would you pay for this? What plan can you devise that wouldnt get you laughed out at the primaries to pay for all of this? If you cant answer that then you arent really adding anything to the conversation. We can all dream big but the President actually has to do something about it and make it work.
mookie1995
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
high school needs a revamp so that skill needed for jobs today are taught there. using an old model is a waste of time and resources for changing norms.
high school needs a revamp so that skill needed for jobs today are taught there. using an old model is a waste of time and resources for changing norms.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
This is what always happens. The GOP blows the bank (Reagan, W, his dad until he passed the tax increase and then it lost him the election) and now Trump. And the Democrat (Clinton, Obama) has to get everything back in line.
And it's happening again. And you're probably right as to what will happen. And we'll never ever get that 23 trillion back. And this country will die, just like Rome.
This is what always happens. The GOP blows the bank (Reagan, W, his dad until he passed the tax increase and then it lost him the election) and now Trump. And the Democrat (Clinton, Obama) has to get everything back in line.
And it's happening again. And you're probably right as to what will happen. And we'll never ever get that 23 trillion back. And this country will die, just like Rome.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
I don't hate this idea. I also don't have the idea of 13th and 14th grade so that they're really ready for the work force.
I don't hate this idea. I also don't have the idea of 13th and 14th grade so that they're really ready for the work force.
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
I kinda doubt companies are just going to magically lower their standards to give high school grads middle class wages.
mookie1995
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
mookie is starting to think scooby doesn't understand laffer....
mookie is starting to think scooby doesn't understand laffer....
mookie1995
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
if high school taught you the skills companies need.
also, what magically skills are "companies" expecting? not sure a blanket "companies" is going to address the needs here. many many jobs don't require kollege degrees.
if high school taught you the skills companies need.
also, what magically skills are "companies" expecting? not sure a blanket "companies" is going to address the needs here. many many jobs don't require kollege degrees.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
They didnt write books...whats your point? Oh right you dont actually have one you just make wild accusations and attack people and when it gets thrown back on you you change the story in an effort to save face. I always forget your bit...well whatever they may not have written any books but I guarantee they know more about Economic Policy and Monetary Issues than you do so no offense to your ego I will trust them over you and never lose an ounce of sleep over it. There credentials are above reproach.
Do you know the difference between the "National Debt" and a consumers "Personal Debt"? It doesnt appear like you do based on this post. Medicare For All will save people trillions, its why I have been in favor of it forever and still am. No one outside of Righty Stooges argues against that point. It will help the individual immensely. It will still cost the US Government money to put that in place and to cover it. (which is why say Sweden has such high taxes) We cant take on that burden tomorrow and not have it cripple us if we cant pay for it. We could have a decade ago but we are trillions in debt with no end in sight. Our budget is ridiculous right now and you want to add even more to it without any way to really offset it.
And raising taxes to Clinton levels wont do it...you are going to have to go higher. You mentioned the 1940s...that is the right timeframe if you want to make all this work from where we are right now. You and Scooby can wish away the last 30 years all you want to but that debt exists. The GOP screwed us all...and we have to get our house in order.
The problem with the Progressives (of which I am one) is they dont accept you can take small steps to get to your final goal. Start by getting taxes back to a respectable level. This has to be in place long before any of these things can work. Then, in the case of college, you go with 2 years free which is a popular ideal. Then, after you have that all in place and people have a chance to warm to it you then add to it. You dont just say "Starting on X date all college is free" and go from there. That is a recipe for disaster.
They didnt write books...whats your point? Oh right you dont actually have one you just make wild accusations and attack people and when it gets thrown back on you you change the story in an effort to save face. I always forget your bit...well whatever they may not have written any books but I guarantee they know more about Economic Policy and Monetary Issues than you do so no offense to your ego I will trust them over you and never lose an ounce of sleep over it. There credentials are above reproach.
Do you know the difference between the "National Debt" and a consumers "Personal Debt"? It doesnt appear like you do based on this post. Medicare For All will save people trillions, its why I have been in favor of it forever and still am. No one outside of Righty Stooges argues against that point. It will help the individual immensely. It will still cost the US Government money to put that in place and to cover it. (which is why say Sweden has such high taxes) We cant take on that burden tomorrow and not have it cripple us if we cant pay for it. We could have a decade ago but we are trillions in debt with no end in sight. Our budget is ridiculous right now and you want to add even more to it without any way to really offset it.
And raising taxes to Clinton levels wont do it...you are going to have to go higher. You mentioned the 1940s...that is the right timeframe if you want to make all this work from where we are right now. You and Scooby can wish away the last 30 years all you want to but that debt exists. The GOP screwed us all...and we have to get our house in order.
The problem with the Progressives (of which I am one) is they dont accept you can take small steps to get to your final goal. Start by getting taxes back to a respectable level. This has to be in place long before any of these things can work. Then, in the case of college, you go with 2 years free which is a popular ideal. Then, after you have that all in place and people have a chance to warm to it you then add to it. You dont just say "Starting on X date all college is free" and go from there. That is a recipe for disaster.
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's
Even if they did what's to stop companies from still saying they want a college degree for your typical entry level analyst positions? What makes you think they're just going to magically get rid of that requirement just because high schools suddenly "teach better skills"? The degrees most of these companies want for these positions require multiple semesters of calculus, organic chem, and other courses that require a rigorous mathematical and/or statistical background. You're not just gonna cram that into high school curriculum and teach it to everyone, it's not practical.
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