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2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

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Yeah and if what actually happens is they cry like the spoiled babies they are and dont vote they are the cause of their own destruction. You can deny it all you want to but it is the truth. And that is what you are suggesting will happen which puts the onus on them.
Yes it's all the fault of individual voters, not the party that would rather support the blatantly racist guy who brags about working with segregationists over a guy who wants to give people a healthcare system comparable to the rest of the developed world.

conspiracy theories and money
It's not a conspiracy theory if they openly admit to doing these things publicly.

Look I understand being frustrated, hell I even agree with the vast majority of what they say and stand for, but these people cut off their nose to spite their face. They may have the right ideas and the right motivations but their political acumen and strategy is severely lacking.
Look who's president lmfao. If the opposite strategy was as sound as you're making it out to be that wouldn't be the case. The overton window wouldn't have shifted right for 40 years to the point where we have loonbats on the Supreme Court whining about Clinton conspiracies during their hearing. This is lunacy.
 
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*Largest midterm turnout since forever and a historic upset (given the gerrymandering) which was mostly predicated on impeaching Trump*
"IIIIIIII think impeachment would be hard" - Nancy

No it wasnt, it was predicated on the Health Care debate...and it was Nancy Pelosi who championed that. The "Impeachment" was polling in the 30s percentage-wise. Even now it is in the low 40s. Keep trying though...

The Progressives ripping Nancy is about as pathetic and laughable as the Bernie Bros ripping Warren. They couldnt carry Nancy's jock.
 
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Uhhh no
Sixty-seven percent of self-identified Democratic respondents said lawmakers should begin impeachment proceedings, the first step toward removing a president from office, according to the poll released Wednesday, an increase from the 59 percent of Democrats who favored impeachment in an April survey.
 
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No it wasnt, it was predicated on the Health Care debate...and it was Nancy Pelosi who championed that. The "Impeachment" was polling in the 30s percentage-wise. Even now it is in the low 40s. Keep trying though...

The Progressives ripping Nancy is about as pathetic and laughable as the Bernie Bros ripping Warren. They couldnt carry Nancy's jock.

Sure. Health Care. That worked well. Obamacare was a net win for Democrats.
 
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Healthcare was part of it but it certainly wasn't the sole reason like he's making it out to be either.
 
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Yes it's all the fault of individual voters, not the party that would rather support the blatantly racist guy who brags about working with segregationists over a guy who wants to give people a healthcare system comparable to the rest of the developed world.

It's not a conspiracy theory if they openly admit to doing these things publicly.

Look who's president lmfao. If the opposite strategy was as sound as you're making it out to be that wouldn't be the case. The overton window wouldn't have shifted right for 40 years to the point where we have loonbats on the Supreme Court whining about Clinton conspiracies during their hearing. This is lunacy.

Good lord...do you actually read what people say or do you just crib notes from a twitter account and find random spots to put them in posts.

The Party is the voters genius. If Biden wins he will win because the people voted for it. I know the Bernie Bros hate that because it goes against all of their BS arguments as to why he lost but that is how it works. If Biden wins and the Progressives choose to stay home it is their fault if Trump gets re-elected. (or if in 4 years a GOPer wins after Biden) This is ridiculous...its like arguing with a student in Frosh PolySci. You can argue theory all you want to, the accountability ultimately lies with the voter. I dont like Biden one bit and have been saying for now 6 years I dont want him to ever be President but I wont hesitate.

And Trump is President because of exactly what I said in the post you quoted BTW. The GOP supports the candidate 100%. That is why they win. The Dems need to start acting that way which means the Progressives need to shut the bleep up when they lose, show up and vote. Not take their ball and go home. This isnt about the overton window or Clinton (neither of which have anything to do with anything I said if you actually read what people say) it is about us vs. them. (that is what a Binary System is) You dont have to like Biden, the Centrists dont have to like Bernie, but if either wins you shut up and show up. The Dems dont do that, that is why the Dems lose. Basic strategy. Get it? If you do that puts you one step ahead of most people on the Far Left of the Party.

This isnt rocket science. If you want to win you play to win. That means you vote. There is no other way. Standing up on Principle and losing doesnt make you smart, it doesnt make you better and it doesnt help you win. You may be in the right, but everyone loses cause you just needed to be right.

Honestly, you need to read less Liberal Clickbait on twitter and read more what Kepler says. He gets it. Until the GOP completely changes Any Dem > Any GOPer. Any Dem > Not Voting. If you disagree with that then you really lose the right to ***** when you lose.
 
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You understand that the electorate is more than just Democrats right? You understand that the midterms werent just Democrats voting right? YOU UNDERSTAND HOW FREE ELECTIONS WORK RIGHT?!?!?!

Yeah self identified Dems were for impeachment...the Dems didnt win the House because they placated the self identified Dems.
 
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You understand that the electorate is more than just Democrats right? You understand that the midterms werent just Democrats voting right? YOU UNDERSTAND HOW FREE ELECTIONS WORK RIGHT?!?!?!

Yeah self identified Dems were for impeachment...the Dems didnt win the House because they placated the self identified Dems.
Dude this really isn't that hard but I'll break it down for you since you're having trouble.

The dem voters and the turnout was largely due to wanting Trump and his party held accountable for their actions. i.e. impeachment

The vast majority of the dem voters want to see him impeached as backed by the polling numbers I just posted. That's who you need to keep happy in order to maintain a majority in the house.

I have no doubt that like 90 something percent of Republicans don't want him impeached and that the aggregate total of all voters is in the 40's or whatever it is you're claiming. But it doesn't matter what the Republican voters think, they don't control the house. We aren't trying to appease them.
 
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Sure. Health Care. That worked well. Obamacare was a net win for Democrats.

Old people hate losing their Medicare...as long as the Government stays out of it ;)

That still isnt enough to get the liars and cheats to abandon the Thief in Chief but it is something. It is an exploitable issue and it shows that sticking to your guns is important.

The next big thing is finding another issue. I dont know what it will be but they need something else. Everyone knows what Trump is running on the Dems need to not take the bait and find what the people want and go with it. And for Gods sakes hire a firm to help with branding so they can frame a friggin issue. The Dems are offering the world to the people but couldnt market themselves out of a wet paper bag.
 
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Good lord...do you actually read what people say or do you just crib notes from a twitter account and find random spots to put them in posts.

The Party is the voters genius. If Biden wins he will win because the people voted for it. I know the Bernie Bros hate that because it goes against all of their BS arguments as to why he lost but that is how it works. If Biden wins and the Progressives choose to stay home it is their fault if Trump gets re-elected. (or if in 4 years a GOPer wins after Biden) This is ridiculous...its like arguing with a student in Frosh PolySci. You can argue theory all you want to, the accountability ultimately lies with the voter. I dont like Biden one bit and have been saying for now 6 years I dont want him to ever be President but I wont hesitate.
Yeah, the DNC, DCCC, the corporate media, other dems who give endorsements, and various other dem affiliated groups who constantly **** on the left and would rather work with people like Biden and Manchin and throw them $$$$$$ and media exposure, have nothing to do with the outcomes of elections. Which is why they do it of course, because it has no effect! :rolleyes: We've already seen plenty of examples where the DCCC and DNC put its foot on the scale to screw over a progressive and tell them to drop out of the race (Steny Hoyer is on tape doing this) or in Ben Jealous case where top democrats backed his Republican opponent. Even Biden did that recently in Michigan supporting a Republican in a house race when we desperately needed the house to flip. Yes ultimately it comes down to the voters but you're not gonna convince me that the people with more power aren't at all to blame for outcomes of elections because it's a ludicrous argument.

And Trump is President because of exactly what I said in the post you quoted BTW. The GOP supports the candidate 100%. That is why they win. The Dems need to start acting that way which means the Progressives need to shut the bleep up when they lose, show up and vote. Not take their ball and go home. This isnt about the overton window or Clinton (neither of which have anything to do with anything I said if you actually read what people say) it is about us vs. them. (that is what a Binary System is) You dont have to like Biden, the Centrists dont have to like Bernie, but if either wins you shut up and show up. The Dems dont do that, that is why the Dems lose. Basic strategy. Get it? If you do that puts you one step ahead of most people on the Far Left of the Party.
When the most powerful members of the dem party have actively shifted it rightward for decades, for mostly ideological reasons and lost a lot of their support, yes they deserve more blame than the individual voters when they become so unpopular that they lose in embarrassing fashion to a clown fascist. They have more power, influence, and responsibility than individual voters.

As for Nancy...
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This is true of my company as well: record profits for the last 2 decades accompanied by a squeeze on benefits and the elimination of pensions for new hires. Every time there is a merger upper management gets bonuses, the owners do a stock buyback, and workers get laid off or pitted against each other.

Capitalism is brutality with a very shiny paint job.

Yes. I worked at a fortune 250 company and all they cared about was stock price etc. in 08-09 they layed off 3000+ employees. A few years later their ceo was spearheading the Vegas hockey effort and put in $250,000,000.00.

This disaster capitalism is begging for a revolution. Sooner or later people will wake up and it will be “bring back the guillotines” time.
 
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Sometimes I wonder if Pelosi is aware just how much her "simmer down, kiddos" type of comments simply inflame the Millennial and Gen Z Left even more. The cat is out of the bag on political correctness and that ship has sailed ever since Dump took the oath of office.
 
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Yes. I worked at a fortune 250 company and all they cared about was stock price etc. in 08-09 they layed off 3000+ employees. A few years later their ceo was spearheading the Vegas hockey effort and put in $250,000,000.00.

This disaster capitalism is begging for a revolution. Sooner or later people will wake up and it will be “bring back the guillotines” time.

I almost can't believe that my entire prime earning years have been watching this dumpster fire go from a small blaze to a complete inferno.
 
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Sometimes I wonder if Pelosi is aware just how much her "simmer down, kiddos" type of comments simply inflame the Millennial and Gen Z Left even more. The cat is out of the bag on political correctness and that ship has sailed ever since Dump took the oath of office.

Oh I think she does that for a reason definitely. She knows a lot of them cant help themselves but to take the bait. Any chance they have to get real power and influence dies out when they throw their little tantrums...that is why she is Speaker instead of any of the people they tried to push out there ;)

That is kind of the problem with them though...they can't see past what is right in front of them. I see the arguments trix makes and I remember I made the same ones back in 2000 and 2004 and really thought that since I was probably right in my reasoning that must mean the outcome would be right as well. Then I watched as that was proven wrong over, and over, and over ad over again. One side is stacking the deck and no matter how much you play the game correctly you arent going to beat a made hand. If you want to win you have to play the game and you have to do it without tying your own hands behind your back. That means you vote, not sit out and not get mad because your chosen one didnt win. They are going to vote and in high numbers so we need to do the same. Anyone who doesnt is part of the problem whether they are correct or not.

The only way to fix the issue is to get things back to normal and the only way to do that is to keep winning. If you are just gonna quit cause you dont get your way you are the problem.

The best part of all of this...I dont like Nancy Pelosi at all. I wish she wasnt SOTH but the truth is there is no one better than her when you have someone like Trump in the WH. Me defending her is not out of anything but survival.
 
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Yes it's all the fault of individual voters, not the party that would rather support the blatantly racist guy who brags about working with segregationists over a guy who wants to give people a healthcare system comparable to the rest of the developed world.

It's not a conspiracy theory if they openly admit to doing these things publicly.

Look who's president lmfao. If the opposite strategy was as sound as you're making it out to be that wouldn't be the case. The overton window wouldn't have shifted right for 40 years to the point where we have loonbats on the Supreme Court whining about Clinton conspiracies during their hearing. This is lunacy.

You kind of cut the legs out of your own credibility when you call Biden “blatantly racist”.

That’s just laughable.
 
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You either haven’t been paying attention or are a complete idiot lol. His record on voting against desegregated busing, mass incarceration, and pining for the days of working with segregationists, speaks for itself.
 
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I really like Seth Moulton, but I don't think he has the national recognition to make a go of it really. I've seen him speak a few times locally.
 
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I really like Seth Moulton, but I don't think he has the national recognition to make a go of it really. I've seen him speak a few times locally.

I am in Seth's district and he truly is fantastic. I do think he is ahead of his time here though. When he first ran for congress I immediately viewed him as a potential candidate for 2028 or 2032.... gain more experience in congress then run for Markey's seat when he retries, or for Governor after Baker. I hope his run here does not hurt any future chances he has, but rather gives him better name recognition for future consideration.
 
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I think a lot of these hangers-on are running just to gain more national recognition for future campaigns, or to vie for cushy federal jobs in a new administration.

His record on voting against desegregated busing...

To be fair, busing was a terrible solution to the problem of segregated districts.
 
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