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2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
She won't get the nomination, but if she wants to run, who cares?
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Ya know. Not so sure.

Specifically Warren coming out so early can create a lot of fodder for a foam-at-the-mouth verbal war if she doesn't hold her tongue...which can't hurt the GOP but could the Dems. Just speculation.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Hate to be blunt, but I don't think she'll survive not being likeable. In a poll, she had the highest percentage of 'she shouldn't run' to 'she should run' by Dem likely voters. The Indian issue will be an excuse.
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She's got several issues. 1) not being as well liked as other candidates, 2) a really crowded field in her lane (Bernie, Harris, and Sherrod Brown at the very least) and 3) her age are all working against her. What I would like her to do though is be the attack dog on the campaign trail. Every time Chump brings up the Indian thing she should respond with him banging a porn star while his 3rd wife was at home with a newborn. Every. Time. No more kid gloves. Lets say she doesn't win (and I agree with that assessment, she's not giving you anything that Kamala Harris isn't and Harris is younger, non-white, and from the largest state in the union). She can still make her mark so I'm glad she's giving it a go.
 
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Problem with Warren is that her message is a bad one. She's plays the right wing's negative blame game - which is not the Obama/B. Clinton winning approach. And she shifts the blame away from Trump and the GOP:

"How did we get here?" Warren asked in her announcement video on Monday. "Billionaires and big corporations decided they wanted more of the pie, and they enlisted politicians to cut them a fatter slice."

That risks moving Trump from a scheming a-hole to a unwitting accomplice and losing hard fought suburban wins of the last couple of years - whose residents are employed by corporations and are doing fine.
 
5mn_Major said:
Problem with Warren is that her message is a bad one. She's plays the right wing's negative blame game - which is not the Obama/B. Clinton winning approach. And she shifts the blame away from Trump and the GOP:

"How did we get here?" Warren asked in her announcement video on Monday. "Billionaires and big corporations decided they wanted more of the pie, and they enlisted politicians to cut them a fatter slice."

That risks losing hard fought suburban wins of the last couple of years - whose residents are employed by corporations and are doing fine.
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If Warren takes all the heat but loses, it lets the actual candidate get through with less baggage. That's not a bad thing.

Keep in mind none of the flavors of the month during the GOP's primaries kept Trump from winning in the general.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Problem with Warren is that her message is a bad one. She's plays the right wing's negative blame game - which is not the Obama/B. Clinton winning approach. And she shifts the blame away from Trump and the GOP:

"How did we get here?" Warren asked in her announcement video on Monday. "Billionaires and big corporations decided they wanted more of the pie, and they enlisted politicians to cut them a fatter slice."

That risks moving Trump from a scheming a-hole to a unwitting accomplice and losing hard fought suburban wins of the last couple of years - whose residents are employed by corporations and are doing fine.
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She's 100% correct.
 
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unofan said:
If Warren takes all the heat but loses, it lets the actual candidate get through with less baggage. That's not a bad thing.

Keep in mind none of the flavors of the month during the GOP's primaries kept Trump from winning in the general.
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Potentially. But that works if she's attacking from the back...not as the defacto leader of the Democratic party. We really need some positive players to enter quickly and then with a message that targets Trump rather than corporations - that could work fine.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Potentially. But that works if she's attacking from the back...not as the defacto leader of the Democratic party. We really need some positive players to enter quickly and then with a message that targets Trump rather than corporations - that could work fine.
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LOL

No. We need to be attacking those who stole the 23 trillion dollars and getting it back.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Shifting the blame from Trump to corporations? You go with that.



Corporations didn't take that. Trump gave it to them. Nobody deserves any of the blame for that other than Trump and the GOP.
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Uh, huh. Sure thing. Tell that to the Koch brothers. They appreciate you carrying their water for them.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Uh, huh. Sure thing. Tell that to the Koch brothers. They appreciate you carrying their water for them.
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Kochs are evil basterds not because they're rich, but because they're right wingers just like Trump. See Gates - not a-hole. Apply blame where it belongs.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Kochs are evil basterds not because they're rich, but because they're right wingers just like Trump. See Gates - not a-hole. Apply blame where it belongs.
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Most of our "corporations" did stock buybacks with the tax cut. A tax cut most of them supported.

I rest my case.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Most of our "corporations" did stock buybacks with the tax cut. A tax cut most of them supported.

I rest my case.
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You get a lot of undeserved flack. But that makes no sense.

Corporations are bad because they don't spend money on things they don't need? But...you are smart because you don't spend money on things you don't need?

The conservatives have snowed you. Trump/The GOP was the only entity able to transfer that money.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Shifting the blame from Trump to corporations? You go with that.



Corporations didn't take that. Trump gave it to them. Nobody deserves any of the blame for that other than Trump and the GOP.
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$23T is the US debt culmination since WWII. It took off/exploded after 1980. He's not saying that $23T was the cost of this last tax cut.


You know what? Never mind, he might be. It's a toss up with him.
 
St. Clown said:
$23T is the US debt culmination since WWII. It took off/exploded after 1980. He's not saying that $23T was the cost of this last tax cut.


You know what? Never mind, he might be. It's a toss up with him.
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23 trillion is what was stolen since Ayn Rand took over the fiscal policy of the United States.
 
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Rover said:
What I would like her to do though is be the attack dog on the campaign trail. Every time Chump brings up the Indian thing she should respond with him banging a porn star while his 3rd wife was at home with a newborn. Every. Time. No more kid gloves.
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What I wouldn't give for this to happen. trump keeps repeating the same lies over and over and I think it might be high time for a few democrats to start doing the same thing, and not just those on the campaign trail, although those running for pres get a lot of extra coverage. If a legitimate question is asked or comment made about taxes, or foreign policy or the environment, go ahead and give us your ideas on solutions or fixes. But anytime something like what trump likes to bring up comes up, just repeat over and over things like porn actresses and grabbing *******, and shooting people on 5th avenue. Don't make the mistake Hilary made and make it about his supporters. Yes many of them ARE deplorable but pointing it out just makes them proud. Make it about trump and his classless, infantile personality every time. And occasionally mix in his bankruptcies, and his inability to negotiate good deals.
 
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If the attitude is that the Dems need to match Trump's personal attacks tit-for-tat, then I vote we cancel the debates in 2020. The only people who want to watch that nonsense are the sort of morons who love reality TV.

So in other words, at least 10% of the electorate.

Sh*t.
 
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Warren's a problem. By various standards, she's not that extreme. Although she's more extreme than Obama, Warren's in the range of Hillary. Bernie is about as extreme as you'll find in Washington. See the On the issues comparison: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-elizabeth-warren-could-win-the-2020-democratic-primary/.

But Warren is unique in the Democratic party and frankly in Washington in those disliking her. Of many coming back to congress, Fivethirtyeight called her the 'weakest incumbent' based on her 2018 results...this coming from arguably the most liberal state in the country. Even worse, she is stunningly liked less than Donald Trump - the least popular president since measurement began.

Warren needs to be contested soon. If she remains the spokesperson for the party, that will be a blow.
 
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