Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
UAH is essentially a D-3 program. Has been for years and years.
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2020-2021 D3 Men's Schedules
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UAH is essentially a D-3 program. Has been for years and years.
FYI Adrian is scheduled to play Lake Superior State twice this weekend.
https://adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-hockey/2020-21/releases/20201125spda7l
I get Adrian wanting to play and I don’t blame them. I have enjoyed watching a couple of their games this season.
But, LSSU has had 2 separate Michigan schools back out this weekend because of Covid outbreaks in their locker rooms. Should I take this to mean that Adrian has no positive cases on their team, or they just aren’t testing?
bakdraft21
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I get Adrian wanting to play and I don’t blame them. I have enjoyed watching a couple of their games this season.
But, LSSU has had 2 separate Michigan schools back out this weekend because of Covid outbreaks in their locker rooms. Should I take this to mean that Adrian has no positive cases on their team, or they just aren’t testing?
As per USCHO on 11/25..."The Bulldogs testing regimen has followed both state of Michigan and WCHA return to competition protocols"( not sure which bulldogs they are referring to Adrian and Ferris are both bulldogs ...ugh...but I'll be a glass half full guy ;-))))....You see it is possible...also the last few articles in the D1 section discuss uncertainty,at least it is an issue and NOT the close the season 3 months early like a lot of D3 conferences have done,never even gave it a chance,cowards they are.
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As per USCHO on 11/25..."The Bulldogs testing regimen has followed both state of Michigan and WCHA return to competition protocols"( not sure which bulldogs they are referring to Adrian and Ferris are both bulldogs ...ugh...but I'll be a glass half full guy ;-))))....You see it is possible...also the last few articles in the D1 section discuss uncertainty,at least it is an issue and NOT the close the season 3 months early like a lot of D3 conferences have done,never even gave it a chance,cowards they are.
Hmmm, I wonder if it is Ferris that quote refers to?
Ironic, seeing as Ferris was one of schools originally scheduled to play LSSU this weekend... but they had to cancel due to a Covid outbreak on their team.
https://www.lssulakers.com/sports/m-hockey/2020-21/releases/20201126gj3dkc
bakdraft21
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Hmmm, I wonder if it is Ferris that quote refers to?
Ironic, seeing as Ferris was one of schools originally scheduled to play LSSU this weekend... but they had to cancel due to a Covid outbreak on their team.
https://www.lssulakers.com/sports/m-hockey/2020-21/releases/20201126gj3dkc
Well at this point Adrian is doing something right,more than I can say about the majority of D3 teams,yes I know its the leagues that are canceling the seasons,but the teams have to push back as well,don't see any of that........drop the puck
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Adrian in a battle with Lake Superior State after 2. LSSU leads 4-3 after 40 minutes and shots are 27-21 Lakers.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Lake State, #43 in last year's D-1's PW, wins 5-3 while outshooting AC 39-24... And no ENG to pad the stats.
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bakdraft21
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Lake State, #43 in last year's D-1's PW, wins 5-3 while outshooting AC 39-24... And no ENG to pad the stats.
We all know college teams vary greatly from yr to yr..............Not a bad showing from the dogs,now playing their fourth game vs D1 team at home Sunday,maybe it's the charm,but at least they are playing hockey,somebody at Adrian has balls enough to let the kids play.........more than I can say for a ton of other organizations.
net presence
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We all know college teams vary greatly from yr to yr..............Not a bad showing from the dogs,now playing their fourth game vs D1 team at home Sunday,maybe it's the charm,but at least they are playing hockey,somebody at Adrian has balls enough to let the kids play.........more than I can say for a ton of other organizations.
It's not about "having the balls" to let them play. They've chosen to spend the money on the NCAA recommended (strongly recommended -- meaning...if you don't, you open yourself up to Covid lawsuits) testing protocols for all of their sports. It's going to cost them well in excess of $200,000. How many DIII schools do you think can truly afford that? For Adrian it's a calculation they feel they need to make since about 75% of their enrollment is either a varsity, JV, or club team athlete. Trust me, the extra cost is THE main reason the various DIII conferences are canceling the winter sports seasons. And, you can look for the three western conferences to likely cancel their conference seasons (some schools may try to play "non-conference" games) within the next two weeks. There's a good chance Adrian will continue to pick up games against DI teams through the season. I know UAF was looking at possibly bringing them up to Fairbanks in December but, they chose not to spend the money required to fly them up as they hadn't budgeted for those types of expenses prior to the New Year -- their only 4 games in December were supposed to be against UAA so, when they bailed on the season, UAF was without any games the first half.
bakdraft21
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It's not about "having the balls" to let them play. They've chosen to spend the money on the NCAA recommended (strongly recommended -- meaning...if you don't, you open yourself up to Covid lawsuits) testing protocols for all of their sports. It's going to cost them well in excess of $200,000. How many DIII schools do you think can truly afford that? For Adrian it's a calculation they feel they need to make since about 75% of their enrollment is either a varsity, JV, or club team athlete. Trust me, the extra cost is THE main reason the various DIII conferences are canceling the winter sports seasons. And, you can look for the three western conferences to likely cancel their conference seasons (some schools may try to play "non-conference" games) within the next two weeks. There's a good chance Adrian will continue to pick up games against DI teams through the season. I know UAF was looking at possibly bringing them up to Fairbanks in December but, they chose not to spend the money required to fly them up as they hadn't budgeted for those types of expenses prior to the New Year -- their only 4 games in December were supposed to be against UAA so, when they bailed on the season, UAF was without any games the first half.
I find it hard to think that it's ALL about the $$$,testing seems to be everywhere,commercals on T.V. get tested early and often they say here near NYC.dont think its that costly and as for lawsuits have them signed waivers etc.....I'm also pretty sure many D3 colleges could shell out the big mamoo if they wanted to, like the privates mini-ivy's as they say....yes do think balls has something to do with it,or maybe guts to keep it P.C....I guess the ol'college try is dead and we just give in.........what next they come for my guns ;-)))??????..p.s. Hey Prez you guys laying out 200k for the season at Norwich????
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I find it hard to think that it's ALL about the $$$,testing seems to be everywhere,commercals on T.V. get tested early and often they say here near NYC.dont think its that costly and as for lawsuits have them signed waivers etc.....I'm also pretty sure many D3 colleges could shell out the big mamoo if they wanted to, like the privates mini-ivy's as they say....yes do think balls has something to do with it,or maybe guts to keep it P.C....I guess the ol'college try is dead and we just give in.........what next they come for my guns ;-)))??????..p.s. Hey Prez you guys laying out 200k for the season at Norwich????
It is all about money. 95% of d3 teams operate at a loss to begin with. Schools are cutting expenses wherever they can. Its a no brainer for them to shut down hockey.
Most of your responses speak as if its the team’s choice whether they can play or not
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I find it hard to think that it's ALL about the $$$,testing seems to be everywhere,commercals on T.V. get tested early and often they say here near NYC.dont think its that costly and as for lawsuits have them signed waivers etc.....I'm also pretty sure many D3 colleges could shell out the big mamoo if they wanted to, like the privates mini-ivy's as they say....yes do think balls has something to do with it,or maybe guts to keep it P.C....I guess the ol'college try is dead and we just give in.........what next they come for my guns ;-)))??????..p.s. Hey Prez you guys laying out 200k for the season at Norwich????
I happen to have a close relationship to a DIII conference commissioner and he is the one telling me it's about the cost of testing. You realize that these schools can't rely on testing in their greater communities as the delays in getting results are too long to be effective. And...you can't guarantee an athlete, or trainer, or coach, or off-ice official, or more importantly, on-ice officials can get tested in the appropriate time lines. Remember, officials are technically independent contractors. This is especially true at the DIII level.
The DI officials are testing two and three times per week and those are at home tests, paid for by the conferences. Then, some of the conferences have the officials taking a quick test at the door of the arena before each game so they can be allowed in. There are limited staffs in those conferences which makes it doable. The DIII staffs have as many as 200 different officials working their games in a season. And, none of the DIII schools are willing to pay for the testing of the officials. The linesmen in a DIII series only make $250 total for both games. And, if they travel, the DIII conferences rarely pay more than $.25 a mile for mileage. Nor do they (the referees or linesmen) get any per diem. Now they're going to be asked to take time out of their real jobs to find a place to get a test, AND pay for it out of their own pockets?!?
The tests cost about $125 each at 2 times per week times a total of say 30 players and staff per program. That's $7,500 per week -- for one sport! The average DIII team's season is 20 weeks. That's a total of $150,000 just for hockey... So no, the vast majority of DIII schools -- especially the state/public schools -- cannot afford that. And, for the private schools; those with sizable endowments aren't usually allowed to use any of that money for athletics.
Finally, although waivers are sometimes useful in lawsuit protection, I believe the NCAA mandated that schools could not ask athletes to sign Covid waivers across the board. That's why the schools feel they either follow the testing protocols to the letter, or don't play.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Pretty impressive job by Adrian to battle Lake Superior State this weekend to two really close games.
Lost 2-1 to LSSU today and was outshot 22-21.
I hope they keep getting chances to play Division I teams and can knock off one. Good for them and I think they are showing that top D-III teams can compete with the lower tier D1 teams, even though they haven't been able to pick up a win yet.
Lost 2-1 to LSSU today and was outshot 22-21.
I hope they keep getting chances to play Division I teams and can knock off one. Good for them and I think they are showing that top D-III teams can compete with the lower tier D1 teams, even though they haven't been able to pick up a win yet.
bakdraft21
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WOW thats a lot of nice words,and its just that words....some are playing others not.....shame on those who didn't even try.........
bakdraft21
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Pretty impressive job by Adrian to battle Lake Superior State this weekend to two really close games.
Lost 2-1 to LSSU today and was outshot 22-21.
I hope they keep getting chances to play Division I teams and can knock off one. Good for them and I think they are showing that top D-III teams can compete with the lower tier D1 teams, even though they haven't been able to pick up a win yet.
yes just staying close and gaining some confidence,good for them...and their admin....and their school..
golightning77
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Speaking of Dogs, Last years Dogs Balsamo and Colatarci headed to Tulsa a few days ago to see if they can stick in the coast league,,, Wishing them the best as this appears to be a really complicated year to break into the professional ranks . There are so many guys out there right now without teams (due to shutdowns).
Speaking of Dogs, Last years Dogs Balsamo and Colatarci headed to Tulsa a few days ago to see if they can stick in the coast league,,, Wishing them the best as this appears to be a really complicated year to break into the professional ranks . There are so many guys out there right now without teams (due to shutdowns).
I would be shocked if the coast had a season. Its not looking like the AHL will even have a season at this point
bakdraft21
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Adrian was the better team on Sunday. I missed the 1st period, but I feel they controlled the tempo and zone time in the 2nd and 3rd.
Looked close on the scoresheet as well. Any thoughst to the fact that a top team like Adrian,who IS playing,will get more looks from recruits in the upcoming recruiting battles??
Looked close on the scoresheet as well. Any thoughst to the fact that a top team like Adrian,who IS playing,will get more looks from recruits in the upcoming recruiting battles??
I wonder. It’s such a polarizing topic I bet it’s a wash.