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2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
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Oh it's Mutch ado about nothing.
TonyTheTiger20
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Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Classy.
Also she was on the team in Sochi, dummy.
Classy.
Also she was on the team in Sochi, dummy.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
I didn't think that there was as much top-end talent in the college game this year as we've seen some other years. And it is odd how the ECAC's best are so tilted toward Canadians compared to Hockey East and the WCHA.
Leather helmet
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Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Is it possible that another reason is that more players are continuing to train and play elite-level hockey even after college graduation than before? I don't know how many players may have gotten jobs and stopped playing in prior Olympic years, but most of this year's team consists of former college players who have continued to train, some using the professional league and others keeping their foot in the door with the Whitecaps.
The new agreement to increase payments to national team players means that fewer players with college eligibility remaining will make the Olympic team in future years.
Is it possible that another reason is that more players are continuing to train and play elite-level hockey even after college graduation than before? I don't know how many players may have gotten jobs and stopped playing in prior Olympic years, but most of this year's team consists of former college players who have continued to train, some using the professional league and others keeping their foot in the door with the Whitecaps.
The new agreement to increase payments to national team players means that fewer players with college eligibility remaining will make the Olympic team in future years.
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Or when there are two players of equivalent skill, one a collegian and one not, will the powers that be want the coaches to pick the collegian so they can save on money?
Or when there are two players of equivalent skill, one a collegian and one not, will the powers that be want the coaches to pick the collegian so they can save on money?
Aren't the Olympic payments NCAA exempt?
TonyTheTiger20
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Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Both of these are likely true. It feels like the 5 years before and after 2010 or so was really the peak of the sport's talent level.
Both of these are likely true. It feels like the 5 years before and after 2010 or so was really the peak of the sport's talent level.
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only some. Like all things the Martians at NCAA mandate it is complicated.
bylaw 12.1.2.1.5 “Payment Based on Performance” defines the following type of payment as a trigger for losing one’s amateur status:
“Any payment, including actual and necessary expenses, conditioned on the individual’s or team’s place finish or performance or given on an incentive basis, or receipt of expenses in excess of the same reasonable amount for permissible expenses given to all individuals or team members involved in the competition.”
However,on page 64 of this 426 page manual are two rules that carve out exceptions. Specifically, 12.1.2.1.4.3.2 “Expenses/Benefits Related to Olympic Games” says that:
“It is permissible for members of an Olympic team to receive all nonmonetary benefits and awards provided to members of an Olympic team beyond actual and necessary expenses, including entertainment, equipment, clothing, long distance telephone service, Internet access, and any other item or service for which it can be demonstrated that the same benefit is available to all members of that nation’s Olympic team or the specific sport Olympic team in question.”
That seems to me to say taking the team pay is OK . . . I guess
Additionally, 12.1.2.1.4.3.3 “Operation Gold Grant” (the bit that pays individuals for winning medals) says that:
“An individual(prospective student-athlete or student-athlete) may accept funds that are administered by the U.S. Olympic Committee pursuant to its Operation Gold program.”
I know the kids are not allowed agents but they need lawyers!
only some. Like all things the Martians at NCAA mandate it is complicated.
bylaw 12.1.2.1.5 “Payment Based on Performance” defines the following type of payment as a trigger for losing one’s amateur status:
“Any payment, including actual and necessary expenses, conditioned on the individual’s or team’s place finish or performance or given on an incentive basis, or receipt of expenses in excess of the same reasonable amount for permissible expenses given to all individuals or team members involved in the competition.”
However,on page 64 of this 426 page manual are two rules that carve out exceptions. Specifically, 12.1.2.1.4.3.2 “Expenses/Benefits Related to Olympic Games” says that:
“It is permissible for members of an Olympic team to receive all nonmonetary benefits and awards provided to members of an Olympic team beyond actual and necessary expenses, including entertainment, equipment, clothing, long distance telephone service, Internet access, and any other item or service for which it can be demonstrated that the same benefit is available to all members of that nation’s Olympic team or the specific sport Olympic team in question.”
That seems to me to say taking the team pay is OK . . . I guess
Additionally, 12.1.2.1.4.3.3 “Operation Gold Grant” (the bit that pays individuals for winning medals) says that:
“An individual(prospective student-athlete or student-athlete) may accept funds that are administered by the U.S. Olympic Committee pursuant to its Operation Gold program.”
I know the kids are not allowed agents but they need lawyers!
pokechecker
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Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
For sure western bias.
If you want to win gold, why would you chose players who have a proven history of winning championships, proven their skill by leading the nation in scoring, been selected as All-American, Patty K nominees, …
The team should not be made up of the best players, but rather who will make the best team. You don’t want a team made up of all stars …........... blah blah blah.
oh, and a woman coach can relate to players in a way men cannot
Or maybe it's Western bias.
For sure western bias.
If you want to win gold, why would you chose players who have a proven history of winning championships, proven their skill by leading the nation in scoring, been selected as All-American, Patty K nominees, …
The team should not be made up of the best players, but rather who will make the best team. You don’t want a team made up of all stars …........... blah blah blah.
oh, and a woman coach can relate to players in a way men cannot
Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Could you excuse me while I go get a towel or 2 to wipe off all the sarcastic drool
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For sure western bias.
If you want to win gold, why would you chose players who have a proven history of winning championships, proven their skill by leading the nation in scoring, been selected as All-American, Patty K nominees, …
The team should not be made up of the best players, but rather who will make the best team. You don’t want a team made up of all stars …........... blah blah blah.
oh, and a woman coach can relate to players in a way men cannot
Could you excuse me while I go get a towel or 2 to wipe off all the sarcastic drool
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but it also says "other item or service for which it can be demonstrated that the same benefit is available to all members "
but it also says "other item or service for which it can be demonstrated that the same benefit is available to all members "
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And here is Canada's centralized roster.
https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2017-18-nwt-28-players-to-centralize-ahead-of-olympics
And here is Canada's centralized roster.
https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/2017-18-nwt-28-players-to-centralize-ahead-of-olympics
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Money is neither an item nor a service in this context. Your argument is that they used the word "nonmonetary" and then negated it.
Money is neither an item nor a service in this context. Your argument is that they used the word "nonmonetary" and then negated it.
Except he's Canadian, from a small town in Ontario I believe. Shh, don't tell anyone!
Puckdrop14
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And please let's replace Stauber! After all, he has only ever won gold!
Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Looking ahead to the 2017-18 D1 season I don't think there's any argument that no team will potentially be more impacted by the Olympics than the Minnesota Gophers. Assuming all three centralized players - Kelly Pannek, Sarah Potomak and Amy Potomak - are missing for the entire season would obviously be a very big hit, talent wise, to the Gopher's roster. Of course the upside, if this should happen, would be that all three players would greatly improve their games for a possible strong run in 2018-19 (assuming Pannek returns).
And I don't mean to be overly pessimistic about the Gopher's upcoming season as there is still plenty of returning and incoming talent to carry the team to NCAA tournament, a possible Final Four berth and then who knows? But my-o-my what a difference these three would make offensively if it were not for the Olympic year interruption...especially when compared to the relatively minor losses that their competition will experience.
Looking ahead to the 2017-18 D1 season I don't think there's any argument that no team will potentially be more impacted by the Olympics than the Minnesota Gophers. Assuming all three centralized players - Kelly Pannek, Sarah Potomak and Amy Potomak - are missing for the entire season would obviously be a very big hit, talent wise, to the Gopher's roster. Of course the upside, if this should happen, would be that all three players would greatly improve their games for a possible strong run in 2018-19 (assuming Pannek returns).
And I don't mean to be overly pessimistic about the Gopher's upcoming season as there is still plenty of returning and incoming talent to carry the team to NCAA tournament, a possible Final Four berth and then who knows? But my-o-my what a difference these three would make offensively if it were not for the Olympic year interruption...especially when compared to the relatively minor losses that their competition will experience.
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rangersrule
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Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Wisconsin also loses a pretty important pair in Pankowski and Clark. However it does seem that the Badgers have more experience returning than the Gophers. Though Wisconsin loses their top line, two of the three skaters on their second line return (Norby, Cogan) and their entire third line from last year as well (Wellhausen, Roque, Shaver). Mauermann played quite a bit as a freshman last year too. Adding Kepler to the mix gives UW a pretty solid 6-7 forwards and that is not including what this upcoming seasons freshman bring.
Wisconsin also loses a pretty important pair in Pankowski and Clark. However it does seem that the Badgers have more experience returning than the Gophers. Though Wisconsin loses their top line, two of the three skaters on their second line return (Norby, Cogan) and their entire third line from last year as well (Wellhausen, Roque, Shaver). Mauermann played quite a bit as a freshman last year too. Adding Kepler to the mix gives UW a pretty solid 6-7 forwards and that is not including what this upcoming seasons freshman bring.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team
He's also American -- he has dual citizenship. And he has been an assistant coach for US national teams in the past.