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2018 Midterms 2: I Need A Drink!

Re: 2018 Midterms 2: I Need A Drink!

The Sicatoka said:
What oppression. Record turnout is oppression?

And the law (requiring a street address, not a PO box) stood up to judicial challenge.
Before you say it, every square foot of ND has a street address (per the statewide 911 system).
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1. Someone managing to overcome abuse...doesn't justify the abuse. Just because there's turnout doesn't mean there wasn't voter suppression.

2. There is no North Dakota voter fraud. None. The North Dakota people did what they could to suppress the NA vote. If it wasn't the people, then politicians would have been thrown out. It was the NAs themselves with some assistance that made it so that they had any kind of vote - in spite of your fellow North Dakotans.

"In the days leading up to the midterm election, indigenous leaders rallied to issue thousands of new ID cards for would-be voters. The campaign, dubbed #StandingRockTheVote, is the result of a partnership between several North Dakota tribes and nonprofit advocacy organizations fighting voter suppression. As of last week, the Standing Rock Sioux, Turtle Mountain Chippewa, and Three Affiliated Tribes had distributed more than 2,000 new ID cards to their members free of charge so that they won’t be turned away at the polls. Through a GoFundMe page, the group raised more than $230,000 for the initiative in 17 days. The Native American Rights Fund also donated $50,000." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...22/north-dakota-voter-id-suppression-heitkamp

3. How many NAs were involved in the decision of your judiciary? Would you actually think that the judiciary would choose the NA point of view over that of the extreme legislature elected from the same source as themselves? I don't expect you to see any of this as you've shown yourself to be just as politically corrupt.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
trix: Those are facts. Feel free to check.
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The lack of oppression argument is not a fact lmao.
5mn_Major said:
1. Someone managing to overcome abuse...doesn't justify the abuse. Just because there's turnout doesn't mean there wasn't voter suppression.

2. There is no North Dakota voter fraud. None. The North Dakota people did what they could to suppress the NA vote. If it wasn't the people, then politicians would have been thrown out. It was the NAs themselves with some assistance that made it so that they had any kind of vote - in spite of your fellow North Dakotans.

"In the days leading up to the midterm election, indigenous leaders rallied to issue thousands of new ID cards for would-be voters. The campaign, dubbed #StandingRockTheVote, is the result of a partnership between several North Dakota tribes and nonprofit advocacy organizations fighting voter suppression. As of last week, the Standing Rock Sioux, Turtle Mountain Chippewa, and Three Affiliated Tribes had distributed more than 2,000 new ID cards to their members free of charge so that they won’t be turned away at the polls. Through a GoFundMe page, the group raised more than $230,000 for the initiative in 17 days. The Native American Rights Fund also donated $50,000." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...22/north-dakota-voter-id-suppression-heitkamp

3. How many NAs were involved in the decision of your judiciary? Would you actually think that the judiciary would choose the NA point of view over that of the extreme legislature elected from the same source as themselves? I don't expect you to see any of this as you've shown yourself to be just as politically corrupt.
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He either doesn't know this because he's dumb and doesn't know how to use google or he knows all this and is arguing in bad faith per usual.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Why does this matter again?
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It doesn't. But when 5mn_Major asks a question/posts a comment that is so ridiculously stupid, it pretty much requires a meaningless response.

His question, "How many NAs were involved in the decision of your judiciary? Would you actually think that the judiciary would choose the NA point of view over that of the extreme legislature elected from the same source as themselves?"

The stupidity of that question/statement should be immediately obvious, since the "judiciary" that decided the case was a federal district court judge, not elected by the people of North Dakota, but appointed for life by the President, stayed on appeal by the 8th Circuit judges, again appointed by the President, not elected by the people of North Dakota, with the 8th Circuit decision left alone by the Supremes.
 
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unofan said:
The only people on this whole board who blame Reid are you and Joe.

You're right, the flood is happening. It would've happened anyway. So you're saying Reid should've left another 100 judicial chambers empty for McConnell to fill because...

It's not because voters would punish McConnell. They proved that after Garland.

It's not because McConnell would've held his own hand, because he's shown he's more power hungry than most Presidents.

So why should Reid have left those 100-some seats to flounder?
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Wouldn't Turtle Boy still have needed 60 votes to confirm anyone?
 
rufus said:
Wouldn't Turtle Boy still have needed 60 votes to confirm anyone?
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The point is that McConnell would have gone simple majority regardless of whether he had Reid to point the finger at. The only people saying "we'll never know" are people who want to blame Reid.

After not being punished in the slightest for stealing Garland's seat, what possible reason would there have been to think that going simple majority was going to pose any sort of political problem?
 
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Seeing a lot of p-ssing and moaning this morning from Trumpies on social media.

Didn't they say "you lost, get over it" two years ago?
 
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trixR4kids said:
The lack of oppression argument is not a fact lmao.
He either doesn't know this because he's dumb and doesn't know how to use google or he knows all this and is arguing in bad faith per usual.
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I know all that. I live here.
The native vote this week was the strongest turnout they've seen.

This'll sound bad, but all this noise was actually a good thing as it got the native population segment out to vote.

And to quote Sen Heitkamp herself: It’s still easy for Native Americans to vote. ... And they did. Good for them.
 
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SJHovey said:
It doesn't. But when 5mn_Major asks a question/posts a comment that is so ridiculously stupid, it pretty much requires a meaningless response.
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Finally we're getting to the reason to support ND voter suppression initiatives.
 
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unofan said:
Only if you believe he wouldn't have gone nuclear himself anyway. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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Would he have?
We'll never know because Harry Reid opened the door for him.

Reid needed to get his judicial parade down the street. So he did what he did to be expedient, forget the future consequences.

Reid's move gave Mitch the same judicial parade power and a scapegoat.
 
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Yeah, a guy who said in January 2009 that his entire goal was to make Obama a one term president surely wasn't going to go nuclear the first chance he had a Republican President.
 
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The suburban shift to D vote was reflected in the Twin Cities House. Every single urban and suburb went blue including Maple Grove and EP...from Blaine to Shakopee...from Stillwater to Mound. This can't be a long term winning strategy for Republicans.
 
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