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2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
International refs have been weird forever. The worst game I ever saw was Finland/Russia at the worlds this spring. Russia could have done anything with no call & if a Finn player came within an inch of a Russian it was off to the bin. Mostly they just miss obvious stuff & call nothing.
I do like the way you think about coaches. Once a coach has failed they should never ever ever be given another chance and only successful coaches should ever be selected. That is a recipe for Canadian hockey that will make American's very happy
International refs have been weird forever. The worst game I ever saw was Finland/Russia at the worlds this spring. Russia could have done anything with no call & if a Finn player came within an inch of a Russian it was off to the bin. Mostly they just miss obvious stuff & call nothing.
I do like the way you think about coaches. Once a coach has failed they should never ever ever be given another chance and only successful coaches should ever be selected. That is a recipe for Canadian hockey that will make American's very happy
Birdwatcher
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The sound you heard was a giant sigh of relief coming from Potsdam, NY.
Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
We need more high end female head coaches. We need more female head coaches in general. Thank goodness for what we do have in the NCAA but we need more. I think Davidson’s heart is probably in the right place, but also, ignoring a male who is good and has devoted his career to the women’s game seems wrong too.
Cannot wait to see the Schuler vs Stauber coaching battle tomorrow. I’ve really enjoyed the games. Knight and Co are due for a big night, the rest of the USA lines will bring confidence from the OAR game and the balanced goal scoring.
We need more high end female head coaches. We need more female head coaches in general. Thank goodness for what we do have in the NCAA but we need more. I think Davidson’s heart is probably in the right place, but also, ignoring a male who is good and has devoted his career to the women’s game seems wrong too.
Cannot wait to see the Schuler vs Stauber coaching battle tomorrow. I’ve really enjoyed the games. Knight and Co are due for a big night, the rest of the USA lines will bring confidence from the OAR game and the balanced goal scoring.
Blackbeard
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
What I'm looking forward to the most in tonight's game is...no Italian play by play!!
What I'm looking forward to the most in tonight's game is...no Italian play by play!!
Blackbeard
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Did US viewers get the Canadian broadcast?
Did anyone catch the story Cassie Campbell told just before the game about (she didn't mention the name but the play by play guy did) Duggan skating by the Canadian bench?
I didn't catch where that took place. Was that just before the Gold Medal Game in Sochi?
The new US cycling strategy was non existent tonight. Aggressive forechecking reducing time and space being the main culprit.
Forgot a question on that topic...with long enough cycling of the puck, if that ploy were to continue, could the US conceivably be called for delay of game?
Canada not quick enough to the puck thru a lot of the third and excellent effort by Coyne on her goal and equally excellent blunder by Canada on the same play.
Penalized players were camera shy late in the game with Knight tossing a towel over the camera and Poulin leaning the blade of her stick on the lens...haha.
Canada incapable of clearing the puck on way too many opportunities and of not controlling the puck in the US end way too often. And lots of their passing was less than stellar. They're going to have to be much sharper than that.
And dumb unnecessary penalty by Agosta (2nd one) with the elbow (play by play guy called it chin music...hahaha) in the second period I think it was. It's bad enough that their PP often looked like they were short handed (thanks to the US speed and aggression) you don't need to be sitting out two minutes for stupidity. And that's exactly what it is at this level...either you want to win or you just want to get even.
Did US viewers get the Canadian broadcast?
Did anyone catch the story Cassie Campbell told just before the game about (she didn't mention the name but the play by play guy did) Duggan skating by the Canadian bench?
I didn't catch where that took place. Was that just before the Gold Medal Game in Sochi?
The new US cycling strategy was non existent tonight. Aggressive forechecking reducing time and space being the main culprit.
Forgot a question on that topic...with long enough cycling of the puck, if that ploy were to continue, could the US conceivably be called for delay of game?
Canada not quick enough to the puck thru a lot of the third and excellent effort by Coyne on her goal and equally excellent blunder by Canada on the same play.
Penalized players were camera shy late in the game with Knight tossing a towel over the camera and Poulin leaning the blade of her stick on the lens...haha.
Canada incapable of clearing the puck on way too many opportunities and of not controlling the puck in the US end way too often. And lots of their passing was less than stellar. They're going to have to be much sharper than that.
And dumb unnecessary penalty by Agosta (2nd one) with the elbow (play by play guy called it chin music...hahaha) in the second period I think it was. It's bad enough that their PP often looked like they were short handed (thanks to the US speed and aggression) you don't need to be sitting out two minutes for stupidity. And that's exactly what it is at this level...either you want to win or you just want to get even.
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Cassie Campbell on canadian tv called out the lack of leadership of the players in this team....like i have been saying all along since early last year.
This team is missing the leadership of Ouellette and Wickenheiser and it is so obvious. Poulin's body language did not look good here.
i was afraid that Saulnier would be selfish but she played good.
this coach does not know what to do with Haley Irwin, who should be playing on Johnston and jenner's line IMO. i do not know where that leaves Saulnier, but a johnston-jenner-irwin line would be a winning one. The coach is wasting her talents.
Cassie Campbell on canadian tv called out the lack of leadership of the players in this team....like i have been saying all along since early last year.
This team is missing the leadership of Ouellette and Wickenheiser and it is so obvious. Poulin's body language did not look good here.
i was afraid that Saulnier would be selfish but she played good.
this coach does not know what to do with Haley Irwin, who should be playing on Johnston and jenner's line IMO. i do not know where that leaves Saulnier, but a johnston-jenner-irwin line would be a winning one. The coach is wasting her talents.
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Puckdrop14
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The question is should Irwin be on this team? Why not give a younger player a chance! Do we need a player that really only plays on the power play?
Russell Jaslow
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
And what rule would they possibly be breaking? This isn't basketball...
And what rule would they possibly be breaking? This isn't basketball...
Blackbeard
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
It was a question that had initially crossed my mind but I forgot about it until last night when someone to whom I was explaining the new US strategy asked that same question of me.
The question would be whether or not it would fall within the definition of actions that constitute a delay of game? And, maybe, if there are any such definitions that allow for discretionary judgment on the part of the ref.
What's interesting is I haven't seen any comments here yet about the new US strategy that was non existent last night.
And what rule would they possibly be breaking? This isn't basketball...
It was a question that had initially crossed my mind but I forgot about it until last night when someone to whom I was explaining the new US strategy asked that same question of me.
The question would be whether or not it would fall within the definition of actions that constitute a delay of game? And, maybe, if there are any such definitions that allow for discretionary judgment on the part of the ref.
What's interesting is I haven't seen any comments here yet about the new US strategy that was non existent last night.
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Blackbeard
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
When you score 100+ points over four years in the NCAA you are a hero.
Irwin scored 200+ points with UMD. That's rarefied air.
I was shocked to hear her playing DEFENSE last night late in the game!!
But with her injuries (including concussion issues) I don't think that she is quite the same player that she was eight years ago.
But I think that there are a couple more on this team that require closer scrutiny than Irwin does.
When you score 100+ points over four years in the NCAA you are a hero.
Irwin scored 200+ points with UMD. That's rarefied air.
I was shocked to hear her playing DEFENSE last night late in the game!!
But with her injuries (including concussion issues) I don't think that she is quite the same player that she was eight years ago.
But I think that there are a couple more on this team that require closer scrutiny than Irwin does.
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I suspect it was some combination of the two.
I was wondering the same, whether or not it was a deliberate coaching decision to move the puck up ice quicker, hoping to catch Canada off guard, or if the pressure the Canadians put on the USA defensemen forced them to move the puck forward instead of the constant regrouping that we saw in their previous two games.
I suspect it was some combination of the two.
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Irwin does not just play on the power play. And she rarely makes any defensive mistakes unlike others, and her individual efforts usually are not selfish, unlike Saulnier, and any time she any time she is on the ice americans' puck possession slows down.
the biggest problem with team canada women is their bad defence. Who do you think is a younger player that should be given a chance? Krzyzaniak was terrible in the exhibition series and games last season, just no compete level, timid passing, and playing dump and chase hockey against USA will not cut it. Lacquette is not great either, i guess they are using her for her point shot, but there is really no other defenceman for canada who is good. Sadly, they have no other options.
irwin is versatile and the most complete player on the team. the coach doesn't know how to use her talents. But maybe playing defence is smart given the lack of defensive depth on the team.
Irwin does not just play on the power play. And she rarely makes any defensive mistakes unlike others, and her individual efforts usually are not selfish, unlike Saulnier, and any time she any time she is on the ice americans' puck possession slows down.
the biggest problem with team canada women is their bad defence. Who do you think is a younger player that should be given a chance? Krzyzaniak was terrible in the exhibition series and games last season, just no compete level, timid passing, and playing dump and chase hockey against USA will not cut it. Lacquette is not great either, i guess they are using her for her point shot, but there is really no other defenceman for canada who is good. Sadly, they have no other options.
irwin is versatile and the most complete player on the team. the coach doesn't know how to use her talents. But maybe playing defence is smart given the lack of defensive depth on the team.
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Irwin played just under ten minutes, only 30 seconds less than Duggan of the USA. I’d say just under ten minutes is significant for someone who hasn’t been assigned to a line. Just over ten minutes is also eye raising for a captain IMO, but I guess she’s their leader.
I’m a little worried about how badly outshot Canada was. Knight is eventually going to find the back of the net and if that line gets going yikes.We are lucky the Americans inexplicably left Carpenter at home and that LaCasse played great.
Also, who starts in goal now in the medal round and do you stick with a goalie yet? I’m inclined to think I’d want same goalie in semi and final.
Bad body language out of Knight and Poulin. I noticed it too. I don’t know if Poulin is hurting or what the frustration was; not much adversity in that game for Canada. The punching and such after the whistles, I don’t know, seems like the girls on both teams are getting too high and low. A gold medal is going to be at stake, leave that stuff for the exhibitions.
Irwin played just under ten minutes, only 30 seconds less than Duggan of the USA. I’d say just under ten minutes is significant for someone who hasn’t been assigned to a line. Just over ten minutes is also eye raising for a captain IMO, but I guess she’s their leader.
I’m a little worried about how badly outshot Canada was. Knight is eventually going to find the back of the net and if that line gets going yikes.We are lucky the Americans inexplicably left Carpenter at home and that LaCasse played great.
Also, who starts in goal now in the medal round and do you stick with a goalie yet? I’m inclined to think I’d want same goalie in semi and final.
Bad body language out of Knight and Poulin. I noticed it too. I don’t know if Poulin is hurting or what the frustration was; not much adversity in that game for Canada. The punching and such after the whistles, I don’t know, seems like the girls on both teams are getting too high and low. A gold medal is going to be at stake, leave that stuff for the exhibitions.
Timothy A
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
I was ecstatic to see Nurse snipe one on Rooney. Turnbull played quite well I thought. Any thoughts on the goaltending? Obviously I am a HUGE ARD fan, but I don't know why you would change goalies at this point after last night for the semi's/final.
I was ecstatic to see Nurse snipe one on Rooney. Turnbull played quite well I thought. Any thoughts on the goaltending? Obviously I am a HUGE ARD fan, but I don't know why you would change goalies at this point after last night for the semi's/final.
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I have seen the US play both ways, the constant D zone cycle and the more straight ahead. I watched them beat Canada and lose to Canada using both styles. I assume it is a reaction to Canadian play combined with some US players tendencies. I don't think I would call it 'new' exactly. It is also ridiculous to think it is a delay of game (you didn't say it was but replied to that), why would anyone play '4-corner' when they are down a goal or two?
I have seen the US play both ways, the constant D zone cycle and the more straight ahead. I watched them beat Canada and lose to Canada using both styles. I assume it is a reaction to Canadian play combined with some US players tendencies. I don't think I would call it 'new' exactly. It is also ridiculous to think it is a delay of game (you didn't say it was but replied to that), why would anyone play '4-corner' when they are down a goal or two?
Blackbeard
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Irwin was always grinding along the boards during her UMD days and reducing her opponents' puck possession time is right. And yet she wasn't flashy but came out with the puck more often than not.
She has improved, how can you not when immersed in a pool of individual talent greater than your own...that's an ideal way to grow...but I think she's there for her slapshot as well...and maybe the head coach's being your previous asst coach didn't hurt either.
You might get some disagreement on this from some. (Larocque, Fortino...Mikkelson?)
Irwin was always grinding along the boards during her UMD days and reducing her opponents' puck possession time is right. And yet she wasn't flashy but came out with the puck more often than not.
She has improved, how can you not when immersed in a pool of individual talent greater than your own...that's an ideal way to grow...but I think she's there for her slapshot as well...and maybe the head coach's being your previous asst coach didn't hurt either.
You might get some disagreement on this from some. (Larocque, Fortino...Mikkelson?)
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Blackbeard
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
Yeah, I was just asking the question. I have no idea whether it could be called that way if it went on long enough. It had crossed my mind so I just tossed it out there for opinions or to see if anyone else actually knew whether or not it could be called that way.
Yeah, I was just asking the question. I have no idea whether it could be called that way if it went on long enough. It had crossed my mind so I just tossed it out there for opinions or to see if anyone else actually knew whether or not it could be called that way.
ARM
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Re: 2018 Canada's Olympic Women's Hockey Team
What went on long enough -- passing the puck? Just because a pass isn't toward the goal, it can still be part of a strategy to score. I've seen teams on the PK passing the puck around with no attempt to score for a long time, and I don't think anyone in the building thought it was cause for a delay of game penalty.