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2017 Pairwise thread
- Thread starter LTsatch
- Start date
I just realized that Providence isn't the host. Do they still get this kind of preferential treatment as a #4 seed?
Harvard should have no problem with PC regardless of that
UnionHockeyManiac
Union Hockey fan for life
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
Because of the Penn State win, Union will be shipped out west with Lowell and BU staying east in Providence/Manchester.
Because of the Penn State win, Union will be shipped out west with Lowell and BU staying east in Providence/Manchester.
Crimson on the Glass
New member
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
True, but this Providence home ice situation sounds eerily familiar. Can we have future Regionals in Boston and not host them?
Harvard should have no problem with PC regardless of that
True, but this Providence home ice situation sounds eerily familiar. Can we have future Regionals in Boston and not host them?
MagnessMan
D-1 Hockey Nut
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
There's a conflict in that Harvard PC bracket--Western and Sioux on the other side are same conference.
Can't see how DU doesn't end up in Manchester. MN-ND in Cincinnati, H-PC in Providence, UMD-OSU in Fargo all won't be moved.
There's a conflict in that Harvard PC bracket--Western and Sioux on the other side are same conference.
MagnessMan
D-1 Hockey Nut
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
I think these look good. Union and BU are the only true east coast teams getting on a plane.
__Cincinnati
1 Denver
8 Union
9 Penn State
16 Michigan Tech
__Fargo
2 Minnesota-Duluth
7 Boston University
10 North Dakota
15 Ohio State
__Providence
3 Harvard
6 Western Michigan
11 Cornell
14 Providence
__ManchVegas
4 Minnesota
5 Mass.-Lowell
12 Air Force
13 Notre Dame
I think these look good. Union and BU are the only true east coast teams getting on a plane.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
This is the DU to Manchester bracket I have based on bracket integrity.
Manch
1- DU
16- WCHA
8 - Union
9 - PSU
Fargo
2- UMD
15 - OSU
7-BU
10-UND
Prov
3- H
14- PC
6-WMU
11-Cornell
Cincy
4-MN
13-ND
5-UML
12-AF
I'd argue for moving BU and Cornell to Manchester, UML-AF to Providence, WMU-PSU to Cincy, Union-UND in Fargo. Saves flights and boosts attendance.
Manch
DU-WCHA
BU-Cornell
Fargo
UMD-OSU
Union-UND
Cincy
MN-ND
WMU-PSU
Prov
H-PC
UML-AF
Only 7 teams fly, only two (OSU/Union) of which fly when they could've been placed in a busable region.
There's a conflict in that Harvard PC bracket--Western and Sioux on the other side are same conference.
This is the DU to Manchester bracket I have based on bracket integrity.
Manch
1- DU
16- WCHA
8 - Union
9 - PSU
Fargo
2- UMD
15 - OSU
7-BU
10-UND
Prov
3- H
14- PC
6-WMU
11-Cornell
Cincy
4-MN
13-ND
5-UML
12-AF
I'd argue for moving BU and Cornell to Manchester, UML-AF to Providence, WMU-PSU to Cincy, Union-UND in Fargo. Saves flights and boosts attendance.
Manch
DU-WCHA
BU-Cornell
Fargo
UMD-OSU
Union-UND
Cincy
MN-ND
WMU-PSU
Prov
H-PC
UML-AF
Only 7 teams fly, only two (OSU/Union) of which fly when they could've been placed in a busable region.
MagnessMan
D-1 Hockey Nut
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
Here are Wodon's
.
Fargo
1. Denver vs. 16. Michigan Tech
8. Union vs. 10. North Dakota
Cincinnati
2. Minnesota-Duluth vs. 15. Ohio State
6. WMU vs. 11. Air Force
Providence
3. Harvard vs. 13. Notre Dame
7. BU vs. 9. Penn State
Manchester
4. Minnesota vs. 14. Providence
5. Lowell vs. 12. Cornell
Here are Wodon's
.
Fargo
1. Denver vs. 16. Michigan Tech
8. Union vs. 10. North Dakota
Cincinnati
2. Minnesota-Duluth vs. 15. Ohio State
6. WMU vs. 11. Air Force
Providence
3. Harvard vs. 13. Notre Dame
7. BU vs. 9. Penn State
Manchester
4. Minnesota vs. 14. Providence
5. Lowell vs. 12. Cornell
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
10 flights paid for, they'd move teams around to reduce travel costs. Bracket I just posted has 7 and boosts attendance in Cincinnati.
I think these look good. Union and BU are the only true east coast teams getting on a plane.
10 flights paid for, they'd move teams around to reduce travel costs. Bracket I just posted has 7 and boosts attendance in Cincinnati.
MagnessMan
D-1 Hockey Nut
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
He also has a problem with putting the Friars in Manchester. I doubt that will happen. I hope he's wrong. DU doesn't want Fargo.
10 flights paid for, they'd move teams around to reduce travel costs. Bracket I just posted has 7 and boosts attendance in Cincinnati.
He also has a problem with putting the Friars in Manchester. I doubt that will happen. I hope he's wrong. DU doesn't want Fargo.
Here are Wodon's
.
Fargo
1. Denver vs. 16. Michigan Tech
8. Union vs. 10. North Dakota
Cincinnati
2. Minnesota-Duluth vs. 15. Ohio State
6. WMU vs. 11. Air Force
Providence
3. Harvard vs. 13. Notre Dame
7. BU vs. 9. Penn State
Manchester
4. Minnesota vs. 14. Providence
5. Lowell vs. 12. Cornell
Holy hell i don't agree with this one on a few levels
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
mookie obviously wants bu in the east, but adam is being too cute x2. 3 should play 14 & 4 play 13. so just keep pc in providence and let the boston notre dame alums go to manchvegas. easy peasy.
Here are Wodon's
.
Fargo
1. Denver vs. 16. Michigan Tech
8. Union vs. 10. North Dakota
Cincinnati
2. Minnesota-Duluth vs. 15. Ohio State
6. WMU vs. 11. Air Force
Providence
3. Harvard vs. 13. Notre Dame
7. BU vs. 9. Penn State
Manchester
4. Minnesota vs. 14. Providence
5. Lowell vs. 12. Cornell
mookie obviously wants bu in the east, but adam is being too cute x2. 3 should play 14 & 4 play 13. so just keep pc in providence and let the boston notre dame alums go to manchvegas. easy peasy.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
A lot of wiggle room for the committee this year. I honestly don't know what they'll do. UND in Fargo and PC in Providence present a lot of hurdles for them. If you believe DU goes to Fargo, then Wodon's prediction (with variable PC/ND slot) makes sense. I tend to think UMD goes to Fargo because of the busability and because DU is the higher seed and flies anywhere they go and will go to Manchester, with either Union-PSU or BU-Cornell opposite them.
He also has a problem with putting the Friars in Manchester. I doubt that will happen. I hope he's wrong. DU doesn't want Fargo.
A lot of wiggle room for the committee this year. I honestly don't know what they'll do. UND in Fargo and PC in Providence present a lot of hurdles for them. If you believe DU goes to Fargo, then Wodon's prediction (with variable PC/ND slot) makes sense. I tend to think UMD goes to Fargo because of the busability and because DU is the higher seed and flies anywhere they go and will go to Manchester, with either Union-PSU or BU-Cornell opposite them.
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
Here's mine....Keeping attendance as good as possible:
Fargo: 1-Den v 16-MTU...8-Union v 10-NoDak
Cincy: 2-UMD v 15-OSU...6-WMU v 9-PSU (All the teams who can drive)
Prov: 3-Harv v 14-Prov...7-BU v 11-Cornell
Manch: 4-Minn v 13-NoDame...5-Lowell v 12-AFA (Swap the 2 eastern entire brackets if you want. Swap Prov for NoDame if you want.)
The main thing is that Cincy needs the closest teams possible, so you put the #1s in as required. Denver gets MTU, because there is a big fall from 15 to whatever MTU's PWR rank is. The 4s go either perfectly according to seeding, or you put Minnesota against Providence under the assumption that Harv v Prov isn't 'fair'.
The #2s go in according to seed, except that Cincy gets WMU. And, the 3s the same, except NoDak is host, and Cincy gets PSU.
Here's mine....Keeping attendance as good as possible:
Fargo: 1-Den v 16-MTU...8-Union v 10-NoDak
Cincy: 2-UMD v 15-OSU...6-WMU v 9-PSU (All the teams who can drive)
Prov: 3-Harv v 14-Prov...7-BU v 11-Cornell
Manch: 4-Minn v 13-NoDame...5-Lowell v 12-AFA (Swap the 2 eastern entire brackets if you want. Swap Prov for NoDame if you want.)
The main thing is that Cincy needs the closest teams possible, so you put the #1s in as required. Denver gets MTU, because there is a big fall from 15 to whatever MTU's PWR rank is. The 4s go either perfectly according to seeding, or you put Minnesota against Providence under the assumption that Harv v Prov isn't 'fair'.
The #2s go in according to seed, except that Cincy gets WMU. And, the 3s the same, except NoDak is host, and Cincy gets PSU.
TheRevengeance
2016 Hockey East Overlords
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
I'm going with Denver in Cincy. They're the #1 team and have to fly regardless, so I see them getting a relatively cushy western spot away from North Dakota rather than being sent to play against eastern teams in the east as the #1 overall, which would be way too much.
I have:
Cincinnati:
Denver vs Michigan Tech
Western Michigan vs. Penn State
Fargo:
Duluth vs Ohio State
Union vs. North Dakota
Manchester:
Minnesota vs Notre Dame
Lowell vs. Air Force
Providence:
Harvard vs. Providence
Boston vs. Cornell
I could see Denver getting Fargo in which case I'd have 1/16 and 2/15 swapped and everything else still the same.
I'm going with Denver in Cincy. They're the #1 team and have to fly regardless, so I see them getting a relatively cushy western spot away from North Dakota rather than being sent to play against eastern teams in the east as the #1 overall, which would be way too much.
I have:
Cincinnati:
Denver vs Michigan Tech
Western Michigan vs. Penn State
Fargo:
Duluth vs Ohio State
Union vs. North Dakota
Manchester:
Minnesota vs Notre Dame
Lowell vs. Air Force
Providence:
Harvard vs. Providence
Boston vs. Cornell
I could see Denver getting Fargo in which case I'd have 1/16 and 2/15 swapped and everything else still the same.
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
I don't see how Duluth doesn't go to Fargo.
DU is flying anyway. Duluth doesn't have to.
I also highly expect Providence to be in Providence. It happened just a couple years ago with much the same situation. And the attendance boost will be too hard to ignore.
I don't see how Duluth doesn't go to Fargo.
DU is flying anyway. Duluth doesn't have to.
I also highly expect Providence to be in Providence. It happened just a couple years ago with much the same situation. And the attendance boost will be too hard to ignore.
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
1. Denver
2. Minn-Duluth
3. Harvard
4. Minnesota
---------------
5. Lowell
6. Western Michigan
7. BU
8. Union
-----------------
9. Penn State
10. North Dakota
11. Cornell
12. Air Force
-----------------
13. Notre Dame
14. Providence
15. Ohio State
27. Michigan Tech
West - Fargo, ND
1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
8. Union v. 10. North Dakota
Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
7. BU v. 9. Penn State
East, Providence, RI
3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
6. Western Michigan v. 11. Cornell
Northeast - Manchester, NH
4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force
Swap BU and Western for the sake of attendance
West - Fargo, ND
1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
8. Union v. 10. North Dakota
Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
6. Western Michigan v. 9. Penn State
East, Providence, RI
3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
7. BU v. 11. Cornell
Northeast - Manchester, NH
4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force
Lowell will have to carry attendance in Manchester but everywhere else should be good. Denver goes to Fargo because it's the closest regional to them, and I do not believe "we don't wan to play NoDak in Fargo" is an excuse the committee would find as a valid reason to send them out further to Cincinnati.
1. Denver
2. Minn-Duluth
3. Harvard
4. Minnesota
---------------
5. Lowell
6. Western Michigan
7. BU
8. Union
-----------------
9. Penn State
10. North Dakota
11. Cornell
12. Air Force
-----------------
13. Notre Dame
14. Providence
15. Ohio State
27. Michigan Tech
West - Fargo, ND
1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
8. Union v. 10. North Dakota
Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
7. BU v. 9. Penn State
East, Providence, RI
3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
6. Western Michigan v. 11. Cornell
Northeast - Manchester, NH
4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force
Swap BU and Western for the sake of attendance
West - Fargo, ND
1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
8. Union v. 10. North Dakota
Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
6. Western Michigan v. 9. Penn State
East, Providence, RI
3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
7. BU v. 11. Cornell
Northeast - Manchester, NH
4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force
Lowell will have to carry attendance in Manchester but everywhere else should be good. Denver goes to Fargo because it's the closest regional to them, and I do not believe "we don't wan to play NoDak in Fargo" is an excuse the committee would find as a valid reason to send them out further to Cincinnati.
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
As you can see above, mine is exactly the same as yours. I would give a slight chance to a NoDame/Prov swap, and also a slight chance to an AFA/Cornell swap so Cornell is in Manchester.
1. Denver
2. Minn-Duluth
3. Harvard
4. Minnesota
---------------
5. Lowell
6. Western Michigan
7. BU
8. Union
-----------------
9. Penn State
10. North Dakota
11. Cornell
12. Air Force
-----------------
13. Notre Dame
14. Providence
15. Ohio State
27. Michigan Tech
West - Fargo, ND
1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
8. Union v. 10. North Dakota
Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
7. BU v. 9. Penn State
East, Providence, RI
3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
6. Western Michigan v. 11. Cornell
Northeast - Manchester, NH
4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force
Swap BU and Western for the sake of attendance
West - Fargo, ND
1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
8. Union v. 10. North Dakota
Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
6. Western Michigan v. 9. Penn State
East, Providence, RI
3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
7. BU v. 11. Cornell
Northeast - Manchester, NH
4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force
Lowell will have to carry attendance in Manchester but everywhere else should be good. Denver goes to Fargo because it's the closest regional to them, and I do not believe "we don't wan to play NoDak in Fargo" is an excuse the committee would find as a valid reason to send them out further to Cincinnati.
As you can see above, mine is exactly the same as yours. I would give a slight chance to a NoDame/Prov swap, and also a slight chance to an AFA/Cornell swap so Cornell is in Manchester.
Re: 2017 Pairwise thread
I've got the same exact bracket as you. My thought was Providence in Providence and Ohio State in Cincinnati. There are 3 eastern teams as 2 seeds so lowest rated Union goes west. With North Dakota in Fargo and Lowell in Manchester, attendance is as good as it can be at all four sites. Providence could be a tough ticket.
Here's mine....Keeping attendance as good as possible:
Fargo: 1-Den v 16-MTU...8-Union v 10-NoDak
Cincy: 2-UMD v 15-OSU...6-WMU v 9-PSU (All the teams who can drive)
Prov: 3-Harv v 14-Prov...7-BU v 11-Cornell
Manch: 4-Minn v 13-NoDame...5-Lowell v 12-AFA (Swap the 2 eastern entire brackets if you want. Swap Prov for NoDame if you want.)
The main thing is that Cincy needs the closest teams possible, so you put the #1s in as required. Denver gets MTU, because there is a big fall from 15 to whatever MTU's PWR rank is. The 4s go either perfectly according to seeding, or you put Minnesota against Providence under the assumption that Harv v Prov isn't 'fair'.
The #2s go in according to seed, except that Cincy gets WMU. And, the 3s the same, except NoDak is host, and Cincy gets PSU.
I've got the same exact bracket as you. My thought was Providence in Providence and Ohio State in Cincinnati. There are 3 eastern teams as 2 seeds so lowest rated Union goes west. With North Dakota in Fargo and Lowell in Manchester, attendance is as good as it can be at all four sites. Providence could be a tough ticket.