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2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

peddler said:
At .521 now (2/21 NCAA West Rankings). How does a win against UWEC drop their SOS?
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It doesn't matter if you win or lose. It depends more solely what their sos is. SOS is not win%. I'm assuming (since I didn't look it up) their SOS is well below .521....thus it would drop UWSP's SOS...
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
It doesn't matter if you win or lose. It depends more solely what their sos is. SOS is not win%. I'm assuming (since I didn't look it up) their SOS is well below .521....thus it would drop UWSP's SOS...
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That was my point - I did look it up.

Point is at .521, Eau Claire is at .527. So my question stands, how does Point's SOS go down if they play Eau Claire (regardless of the results)?
 
peddler said:
That was my point - I did look it up.

Point is at .521, Eau Claire is at .527. So my question stands, how does Point's SOS go down if they play Eau Claire (regardless of the results)?
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What was UWS's SOS and what was UWRF? Would that lower UWSP having thise games (and RF for EC) Webb has a formula that computes it pretty close. I will take his word for it, no offense.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
What was UWS's SOS and what was UWRF? Would that lower UWSP having thise games (and RF for EC) Webb has a formula that computes it pretty close. I will take his word for it, no offense.
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UWRF = .487
Stout = .486
Superior = .502

Only remaining game is UWEC at UWSP. Unless I completely misunderstand the formulas (which is always probable) the records of both these teams OP + OOP are "baked into" their current SOS respectively. Since the last game for any of them is the final in question, I would think that would dictate their SOS numbers (as of NCAA new SOS available tomorrow), for the regular season. Happy to hear Webb's take on this, no offense taken. At 63 I'm still learning.
 
peddler said:
UWRF = .487
Stout = .486
Superior = .502

Only remaining game is UWEC at UWSP. Unless I completely misunderstand the formulas (which is always probable) the records of both these teams OP + OOP are "baked into" their current SOS respectively. Since the last game for any of them is the final in question, I would think that would dictate their SOS numbers (as of NCAA new SOS available tomorrow), for the regular season. Happy to hear Webb's take on this, no offense taken. At 63 I'm still learning.
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Each teams own games are disregarded when calculating Opponents' Winning Percentage, so if I understand your post to be saying that a game between the two of them being would have no impact on either SOS, I THINK you are correct.
 
Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

peddler said:
UWRF = .487
Stout = .486
Superior = .502

Only remaining game is UWEC at UWSP. Unless I completely misunderstand the formulas (which is always probable) the records of both these teams OP + OOP are "baked into" their current SOS respectively. Since the last game for any of them is the final in question, I would think that would dictate their SOS numbers (as of NCAA new SOS available tomorrow), for the regular season. Happy to hear Webb's take on this, no offense taken. At 63 I'm still learning.
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UWSP's current SOS is 0.521
UWEC's record is 16-6-3. That is more than UWSP's SOS. (unfortunately we can't see what UWSP's OWP is from this data, but it looks like UWSP OWP will be helped by playing UWEC).
UWEC's SOS is 0.527, but we don't know what their OWP is, so we can't see what the effect would be on UWSP's OOWP would be, because we can't see the data broken down.

Results of the games don't figure into SOS. You don't hurt your own OWP by beating another team, and you don't help your own OOWP by beating them either. Those game are deleted from the record when you calculate the two metrics. It would be nice if the OWP and OOWP were broken out separately.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Each teams own games are disregarded when calculating Opponents' Winning Percentage, so if I understand your post to be saying that a game between the two of them being would have no impact on either SOS, I THINK you are correct.
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The light just went on :eek:
What I have not addressed is the semi-final games (as I think you pointed out, and I missed) played over this past weekend. Each finalist played 2 games against opponents with lower SOS, and none of those games were included in the last SOS calculations of UWSP .521 and UWEC .527. Therefore the upcoming SOS for both teams, due out tomorrow, will be lower than those numbers were on the 21st. That's why XYZ was saying ".510+", because he'd already calc'd the games of 2/24 & 2/25 into his upcoming SOS for Point. Like I said, still learning.
 
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peddler said:
The light just went on :eek:
What I have not addressed is the semi-final games (as I think you pointed out, and I missed) played over this past weekend. Each finalist played 2 games against opponents with lower SOS, and none of those games were included in the last SOS calculations of UWSP .521 and UWEC .527. Therefore the upcoming SOS for both teams, due out tomorrow, will be lower than those numbers were on the 21st. That's why XYZ was saying ".510+", because he'd already calc'd the games of 2/24 & 2/25 into his upcoming SOS for Point. Like I said, still learning.
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Correct. Same page now lol Don't you just love those "ding" moments when the light clicks on!! They took a big hit with those opponents. I remember seeing something about that, so when you posted the SOS I was confused myself....if I could have looked up last weeks stats..... :mad: At least you're willing to learn and attempt to understand unlike others ;) Either way it would be nice if the NCAA would leave things up and or publish the stats before Tuesday so we could all have a heads up on stats. It's not a total secret if you want to take the time (or create your own formula to compute SoS ect ect). IMO just post the darn thing so we have numbers to crunch before the list comes out. Saves a lot of headache. Baby steps I guess.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Correct. Same page now lol Don't you just love those "ding" moments when the light clicks on!! They took a big hit with those opponents. I remember seeing something about that, so when you posted the SOS I was confused myself....if I could have looked up last weeks stats..... :mad: At least you're willing to learn and attempt to understand unlike others ;) Either way it would be nice if the NCAA would leave things up and or publish the stats before Tuesday so we could all have a heads up on stats. It's not a total secret if you want to take the time (or create your own formula to compute SoS ect ect). IMO just post the darn thing so we have numbers to crunch before the list comes out. Saves a lot of headache. Baby steps I guess.
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It would also be useful if somebody on this site would put the PWC page back up. But since "the committee doesn't use them in a predictable way," they don't put them up. It's not that hard to do - I used to track OWP, OOWP, and OOOWP when I did my rankings, but it takes setting up a data base with all games that have been played. (Of course all we have to do is look at KRACH) (sarcasm font).
 
NUProf said:
It would also be useful if somebody on this site would put the PWC page back up. But since "the committee doesn't use them in a predictable way," they don't put them up. It's not that hard to do - I used to track OWP, OOWP, and OOOWP when I did my rankings, but it takes setting up a data base with all games that have been played. (Of course all we have to do is look at KRACH) (sarcasm font).
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I use to do my own excel page, but coaching duties limits my time to do such. I say we just listen to the KRACH...save us all the time....
 
peddler said:
Due to the two games against UWS that were not included in the .521 last Tuesday, yes?
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Aye.

Point will be .510 and change. Probably to the favorable side for reasons I won't explain here but I'd wager somewhere in the .513-517 range.
 
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