2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc

[PrezdeJohnson09]

My only question is does Conn College get ranked?

With ranking 8 East teams I can’t imagine Conn. College not being ranked.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Going to be real tight between Norwich, Plattsburgh and Elmira.

Guess is Norwich still has enough even after tie vs. Middlebury to be on top but that tie certainly closed what was likely already a small gap to Plattsburgh/Elmira.

As a Plattsburgh fan... I agree with this assessment...

 

[obserbear]

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With ranking 8 East teams I can’t imagine Conn. College not being ranked.

I would have trouble after the fifth spot. Perhaps an all NESCAC #6 Conn, #7 Hamilton, #8 Williams? Too bad Endicott came up empty this weekend against Morrisville. Buffalo State?

 

[Birdwatcher]

I would have trouble after the fifth spot. Perhaps an all NESCAC #6 Conn, #7 Hamilton, #8 Williams? Too bad Endicott came up empty this weekend against Morrisville. Buffalo State?

Knowing the smoke filled room antics, I wouldn't count on that. Look for a few surprises from that crew.

 

[Genbeau]

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I would have trouble after the fifth spot. Perhaps an all NESCAC #6 Conn, #7 Hamilton, #8 Williams? Too bad Endicott came up empty this weekend against Morrisville. Buffalo State?

#'s 6,7,8..agreed. Hammy is extremely frugal in the G.A.s. Also a chilling P.P. Like to see more depth on that team, though. Wm Smith and Buff St. are right there on the doorstep.

 

[shelfit]

#'s 6,7,8..agreed. Hammy is extremely frugal in the G.A.s. Also a chilling P.P. Like to see more depth on that team, though. Wm Smith and Buff St. are right there on the doorstep.

I like William Smith much better than Buffalo even though they lost a tight 4-3 game to Buff earlier this season. Buff has much more of a fluff in-conference schedule without any question.

 

[Birdwatcher]

I like William Smith much better than Buffalo even though they lost a tight 4-3 game to Buff earlier this season. Buff has much more of a fluff in-conference schedule without any question.

I was ready to agree until I looked at the OOC records of both. BUFF is 4-4-1 and Wm Smith is 4-3-1. Pretty close stat.

 

[shelfit]

I was ready to agree until I looked at the OOC records of both. BUFF is 4-4-1 and Wm Smith is 4-3-1. Pretty close stat.

OOC records and opponents are similar, agreed. That's why I said their in-conference strength of schedules don't compare at all. Plattsburgh is the only good team Buff faces. WS faces Elmira, Stevenson, Utica, Manhattanville, and a renewed Neumann. Buff plays each conference opponent 4 times whereas WS plays each conference opponent only twice, like most normal conferences. It doesn't compare IMO.

 

[Genbeau]

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OOC records and opponents are similar, agreed. That's why I said their in-conference strength of schedules don't compare at all. Plattsburgh is the only good team Buff faces. WS faces Elmira, Stevenson, Utica, Manhattanville, and a renewed Neumann. Buff plays each conference opponent 4 times whereas WS plays each conference opponent only twice, like most normal conferences. It doesn't compare IMO.

Fair enough, good points. What about the KRACH S.O.S. category, though. It shows BUFF at 145.7 and Wm Sm lower at 89.68. Your thoughts. (or any one else out there.)

 

[shelfit]

Fair enough, good points. What about the KRACH S.O.S. category, though. It shows BUFF at 145.7 and Wm Sm lower at 89.68. Your thoughts. (or any one else out there.)

My thoughts? Math sucks! Lol. The game is played on the ice with human beings that are imperfect and unpredictable, not on paper with stupid math equations.

 

[Birdwatcher]

I like William Smith much better than Buffalo even though they lost a tight 4-3 game to Buff earlier this season. Buff has much more of a fluff in-conference schedule without any question.

Head to head is also criteria...Buff won that one no matter how tight or what the score was. Another edge to Buffalo.

 

[NUProf]

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Fair enough, good points. What about the KRACH S.O.S. category, though. It shows BUFF at 145.7 and Wm Sm lower at 89.68. Your thoughts. (or any one else out there.)

KRACH SOS is irrelevant. The determination is based on opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage. This a very different determination that the method used in KRACH. Results may be similar or different, but the KRACH value doesn't matter.

 

[obserbear]

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I like William Smith much better than Buffalo even though they lost a tight 4-3 game to Buff earlier this season. Buff has much more of a fluff in-conference schedule without any question.

I only saw the William Smith losses to Conn College (1-0 and 4-0) and I don't know if they played better than a mid-level NESCAC back then in early January.

 

[D2D]

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KRACH SOS is irrelevant. The determination is based on opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage.

My understanding that each of the opponents' SOS (not just their winning percentage) is also taken into consideration in determining each team's SOS.

 

[Birdwatcher]

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No rankings yet.....sheets are there....Plattsburgh....Norwich tied 1 criteria each...which way will it go ??

EDIT....OOMP..There It Is


EAST
1 Norwich 21-1-3 21-1-3
2 Plattsburgh State 19-2-2 19-2-2
3 Elmira 19-2-2 19-2-2
4 Middlebury 16-4-2 16-4-2
5 Amherst 13-5-4 13-5-4
6 Connecticut College 14-3-4 14-4-4
7 Morrisville State 13-6-2 13-7-3
8 Endicott 17-4-2 17-4-2
WEST
1 Gustavus Adolphus 17-2-4 17-2-4
2 Wisconsin-River Falls 17-4-3 17-4-3
3 Hamline 18-3-2 18-3-2
4 St. Thomas (Minnesota) 15-3-5 15-3-5
5 Adrian 17-5-1 17-5-1
6 Wisconsin-Eau Claire 14-6-4 14-6-4
East Public PDF

 

[HockeyEast33]

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No rankings yet.....sheets are there....Plattsburgh....Norwich tied 1 criteria each...which way will it go ??

EDIT....OOMP..There It Is


EAST
1 Norwich 21-1-3 21-1-3
2 Plattsburgh State 19-2-2 19-2-2
3 Elmira 19-2-2 19-2-2
4 Middlebury 16-4-2 16-4-2
5 Amherst 13-5-4 13-5-4
6 Connecticut College 14-3-4 14-4-4
7 Morrisville State 13-6-2 13-7-3
8 Endicott 17-4-2 17-4-2
WEST
1 Gustavus Adolphus 17-2-4 17-2-4
2 Wisconsin-River Falls 17-4-3 17-4-3
3 Hamline 18-3-2 18-3-2
4 St. Thomas (Minnesota) 15-3-5 15-3-5
5 Adrian 17-5-1 17-5-1
6 Wisconsin-Eau Claire 14-6-4 14-6-4
East Public PDF

REALLY - Morrisville and Endicott?? Andy McPhee must have a relative at the NCAA and I don't know what is up with Morrisville. Moral - join a conference with a lot of weak teams and play a couple of hard OOC games competitively....

 

[Birdwatcher]

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REALLY - Morrisville and Endicott?? Andy McPhee must have a relative at the NCAA and I don't know what is up with Morrisville. Moral - join a conference with a lot of weak teams and play a couple of hard OOC games competitively....

Look at the sheets.....the numbers support the rankings.....(this time)

 

[shelfit]

Look at the sheets.....the numbers support the rankings.....(this time)

It won't matter in the end anyway so don't lose any sleep over weak teams in the rankings.

 

[GTOWN]

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It won't matter in the end anyway so don't lose any sleep over weak teams in the rankings.

It only matters in the sense that whoever wins the conference (Morrisville or Endicott) is almost guaranteed a spot at Nationals. no way they both make the rankings and neither goes to Nationals....

Related question: does anyone know the format for this year? I believe they've expanded to 9 teams. Does that mean the 8&9 spots have a play-in game?

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Related question: does anyone know the format for this year? I believe they've expanded to 9 teams. Does that mean the 8&9 spots have a play-in game?

Yes, to be played at the number one seed, the day before the winner of 8/9 has to play the number one seed.