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2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc
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Not that it was great to begin with. The pool has sadly become a wading pool.
How much $$$ is USAH devoting to women's development v men?
None. They can't afford to now that they've been forced to pay the National Women's Team players.
SeymoreHockey
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Haha!! See what happens when you "leave the Canadians home".....D111 becomes just a fun rec league. And Canadian hockey will continue to flourish and grow. See ya round, sucker!
Haha!! See what happens when you "leave the Canadians home".....D111 becomes just a fun rec league. And Canadian hockey will continue to flourish and grow. See ya round, sucker!
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Its a good argument but unfortunately the numbers don't bear you out. As of 2015-2016 USA hockey was showing a 4.78% overall growth. More importantly all age groups were showing growth, with the strongest coming at the younger ages: http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0100/7886/15-16_Final_Reports.pdf
Having said that, if you cut the available pool of players for D3 hockey in half by effectively cutting out Canadian players you will weaken D3 hockey and, as SeymoreHockey points out, Canadian girls will keep playing (in Canadian universities) and continue to flourish north of the 49th.
I'm Canadian, but first and foremost, I want to see women's hockey grow around the world. The best way to do is to continue to have strong D1 & D3 programs in the U.S. that can give girls from all parts of the world a chance to play at a high level.
Its a good argument but unfortunately the numbers don't bear you out. As of 2015-2016 USA hockey was showing a 4.78% overall growth. More importantly all age groups were showing growth, with the strongest coming at the younger ages: http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0100/7886/15-16_Final_Reports.pdf
Having said that, if you cut the available pool of players for D3 hockey in half by effectively cutting out Canadian players you will weaken D3 hockey and, as SeymoreHockey points out, Canadian girls will keep playing (in Canadian universities) and continue to flourish north of the 49th.
I'm Canadian, but first and foremost, I want to see women's hockey grow around the world. The best way to do is to continue to have strong D1 & D3 programs in the U.S. that can give girls from all parts of the world a chance to play at a high level.
Re: 2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc
There's also ACHA (club) too! No less than 68 club teams out there where girls can play. 23 teams in the 1st Division and 45 in the 2nd. Take a look at the rosters and see where these girls are from. All kinds of out-of-state tuition being paid. Adrian has not 1, but 2 club teams!
There's also ACHA (club) too! No less than 68 club teams out there where girls can play. 23 teams in the 1st Division and 45 in the 2nd. Take a look at the rosters and see where these girls are from. All kinds of out-of-state tuition being paid. Adrian has not 1, but 2 club teams!
CrossCheck
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LOL nobody misses the free-loading Canadians. Basically average talent....I've don't recall ever seeing any Canadian "99's" playing D3 women's hockey.
And remember folks...it's college. it's hockey. its D-3. its women....D-3 women's college hockey...other than the 50-60 people on this board, I can assure you...Nobody Cares.
oh, and P.S. there genius....It is and has always been Rec League hockey [but maybe you were just so caught up in the majesty of it all you forgot that part]... well except when the girls played travel hockey and 99% of the time smoked whatever Canadian team they played. lol
Haha!! See what happens when you "leave the Canadians home".....D111 becomes just a fun rec league. And Canadian hockey will continue to flourish and grow. See ya round, sucker!
LOL nobody misses the free-loading Canadians. Basically average talent....I've don't recall ever seeing any Canadian "99's" playing D3 women's hockey.
And remember folks...it's college. it's hockey. its D-3. its women....D-3 women's college hockey...other than the 50-60 people on this board, I can assure you...Nobody Cares.
oh, and P.S. there genius....It is and has always been Rec League hockey [but maybe you were just so caught up in the majesty of it all you forgot that part]... well except when the girls played travel hockey and 99% of the time smoked whatever Canadian team they played. lol
CrossCheck
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So, let me get this straight...you grow the game in the US by having Canadians play D3 and have American girls watch from the sidelines. Ok, got it. I know you're Canadian but still, that's pretty stupid.
So, let me get this straight...you grow the game in the US by having Canadians play D3 and have American girls watch from the sidelines. Ok, got it. I know you're Canadian but still, that's pretty stupid.
SeymoreHockey
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Hahaha....Wow, you don't get out much do ya genius! Enjoy the club class hockey.You can't develop what you don't have.
Hahaha....Wow, you don't get out much do ya genius! Enjoy the club class hockey.You can't develop what you don't have.
You’re making up numbers as you go along and I’m the stupid one?
There have been a significant number of teams added in D3 over the past handful of years. If you cut the available pool of players, you decrease the talent. This slows the development of the players that play at that level.
Even you can understand that.
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CrossCheck
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lol...I get out plenty there genius. and I see a lot of canadians who can't skate.
lol...I get out plenty there genius. and I see a lot of canadians who can't skate.
Scott_TG
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Re: 2017-18 DIII News, Game Notes, Etc
Spent some time with the NCAA record book and comparing to the active career point leaders:
Today Kayla Meneghin passed Emily Quizon (Middlebury '06) for 9th on the NCAA career points list with 172. Next mark on the list is 175 (Julie Fortier - Norwich '12). After that is 177, which is where current Cardinal assistant Danille Blanchard sits along with Cherie Stewart (Manhattanville '05).
Melissa Sheeran is currently at 167 points, tied with UM-Boston all time scorer Andrea Ciarletta. Carly Moran on UW-River Falls is the only other active player with over 150 points with 155.
Other players above or near the century mark for their career:
Jessica Young - Middlebury - SR - 115
Maddie Winslow - Middlebury - SR - 112
Chelsea Blackburn - Stevenson - SR - 112
Alex Toupal - Amherst -SR - 110
Olivia Spellmire - Lake Forest - SR - 107
Sarah Schwenzfeier - Norwich - SR - 107
Bek Lucas Neumann - SR - 103
Olivia Ellis - Oswego - SR - 98
Spent some time with the NCAA record book and comparing to the active career point leaders:
Today Kayla Meneghin passed Emily Quizon (Middlebury '06) for 9th on the NCAA career points list with 172. Next mark on the list is 175 (Julie Fortier - Norwich '12). After that is 177, which is where current Cardinal assistant Danille Blanchard sits along with Cherie Stewart (Manhattanville '05).
Melissa Sheeran is currently at 167 points, tied with UM-Boston all time scorer Andrea Ciarletta. Carly Moran on UW-River Falls is the only other active player with over 150 points with 155.
Other players above or near the century mark for their career:
Jessica Young - Middlebury - SR - 115
Maddie Winslow - Middlebury - SR - 112
Chelsea Blackburn - Stevenson - SR - 112
Alex Toupal - Amherst -SR - 110
Olivia Spellmire - Lake Forest - SR - 107
Sarah Schwenzfeier - Norwich - SR - 107
Bek Lucas Neumann - SR - 103
Olivia Ellis - Oswego - SR - 98
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Anyone at the Norwich/Elmira game yesterday?
CrossCheck
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Hey there genius. Last I checked, the "development" in any sport, and in particular hockey...takes place at the youth level. It does not take place in college...and certainly not at the D-3 level. Or are you one of those bumblefukks who thinks womens pro hockey is viable...and that the pro ranks will be filled by D-3 players? lol. Please stay up in the great white north Mr. MacKenzie. as they used to say.... aaaaaa-roooo-kooo-cooo-kooo-cookachooooo!
Hey there genius. Last I checked, the "development" in any sport, and in particular hockey...takes place at the youth level. It does not take place in college...and certainly not at the D-3 level. Or are you one of those bumblefukks who thinks womens pro hockey is viable...and that the pro ranks will be filled by D-3 players? lol. Please stay up in the great white north Mr. MacKenzie. as they used to say.... aaaaaa-roooo-kooo-cooo-kooo-cookachooooo!
SeymoreHockey
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Development takes place at all levels there Gomer. Remove or spread out the higher quality players and watch your development slow. Dilute your product by expanding too quickly and watch development slow. My god, you're stupid. And ignorant too. The NCAA has used high quality Canadian players to develop your hockey product for decades. Your should be thanking Canada, not trying to insult us. But then again, why expect anything else from you.
Development takes place at all levels there Gomer. Remove or spread out the higher quality players and watch your development slow. Dilute your product by expanding too quickly and watch development slow. My god, you're stupid. And ignorant too. The NCAA has used high quality Canadian players to develop your hockey product for decades. Your should be thanking Canada, not trying to insult us. But then again, why expect anything else from you.
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Development of the basic skills to play hockey takes place at the younger levels. Refinement of those skills takes place later. Are you saying, put all of the "higher quality players" in one area will improve development of skills, even refinement of skills? Or, are you referring to winning? I read every post on this forum and it seems when people talk about "development" they are really referring to winning. I understand it is basic human nature to fall back to that. I'm not going to join in the US/Canada debate as I believe both have good things to offer.
Development of the basic skills to play hockey takes place at the younger levels. Refinement of those skills takes place later. Are you saying, put all of the "higher quality players" in one area will improve development of skills, even refinement of skills? Or, are you referring to winning? I read every post on this forum and it seems when people talk about "development" they are really referring to winning. I understand it is basic human nature to fall back to that. I'm not going to join in the US/Canada debate as I believe both have good things to offer.
SeymoreHockey
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I'm talking skills development. The more you play and the more you play at/with higher skill levels, the more you develop. Basic skills are learned earlier, I agree. Skills continue to develop throughout careers. It doesn't stop when minor hockey stops. When you water down the pool, the overall product diminishes. That's why D3 has become little more than a 4-5 team league. I also agree with you that "both have good things to offer".
Development of the basic skills to play hockey takes place at the younger levels. Refinement of those skills takes place later. Are you saying, put all of the "higher quality players" in one area will improve development of skills, even refinement of skills? Or, are you referring to winning? I read every post on this forum and it seems when people talk about "development" they are really referring to winning. I understand it is basic human nature to fall back to that. I'm not going to join in the US/Canada debate as I believe both have good things to offer.
I'm talking skills development. The more you play and the more you play at/with higher skill levels, the more you develop. Basic skills are learned earlier, I agree. Skills continue to develop throughout careers. It doesn't stop when minor hockey stops. When you water down the pool, the overall product diminishes. That's why D3 has become little more than a 4-5 team league. I also agree with you that "both have good things to offer".
CrossCheck
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lol you are truly clueless...but the fact you can spell is a plus for a canadian....you can't keep trying to argue that "development" takes place in college...in womens hockey...at the D-3 level!!!!...you just sound like a total idiot. [please stay in canada...they have a great women's college program..lol].
Fact: The game is grown and development occurs in the youth level. God ur stupid. aroookaaakoooooocachoookaaa choooooo!
I'm talking skills development. The more you play and the more you play at/with higher skill levels, the more you develop. Basic skills are learned earlier, I agree. Skills continue to develop throughout careers. It doesn't stop when minor hockey stops. When you water down the pool, the overall product diminishes. That's why D3 has become little more than a 4-5 team league. I also agree with you that "both have good things to offer".
lol you are truly clueless...but the fact you can spell is a plus for a canadian....you can't keep trying to argue that "development" takes place in college...in womens hockey...at the D-3 level!!!!...you just sound like a total idiot. [please stay in canada...they have a great women's college program..lol].
Fact: The game is grown and development occurs in the youth level. God ur stupid. aroookaaakoooooocachoookaaa choooooo!
Pot, meet kettle. FACT: You are a true moron! Peckerchecker must be your best butt bud.
I would say the vast majority of former players would say they got better in college from their first day to their last no matter if they played D1, D2, or D3. It doesn't matter what you call it; development, improvement, growing their Hockey IQ, having their game evolve, becoming more of a team player, or just getting better in any number of varying aspects of their game. The reailty is you get better while you are playing in college. To state otherwise is pure ignorance and you are blissfully ignorant. As a college hockey player you're working out year-round more rigorously than ever and during the season you're on the ice 6 days a week! You can't help but get better just by showing up each day. You obviously never played any sport at a higher level than your high school but that's ok. It doesn't really matter if you can understand or not. The rest of us get it.
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