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2016 WCHA Offseason; It's All Over, Save Ferris

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jsmithe said:
Just a quick note - LSSU did play a NCHC team - one game against North Dakota to open the season (a loss)
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Thanks — I overlooked that in the middle of the night. I updated the post with credit. :)

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Re: 2016 WCHA Offseason; It's All Over, Save Ferris

It's late May, so ... silly season.

I'll ask: what's so bad about being on the short end of a 2-for-1? I know that y'all from the oWCHA or CCHA are used to having the name schools in your home rink most every year, but is going every other year really the worst thing in the world? Man, I'd love to have 2-for-1s with good teams. If your choice is 2-for-1 or not at all, what do you choose?

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I think like anything in the world, people would rather than more than less. If there was three dollars to be split, would you want one dollar or two dollars. Most people would want the $2, but I suppose if you're flat broke either option looks good because it's more money than you have now.

For me personally, anything other than one for one deals comes across as one team is going out of their way to do another team a favor by playing them. Unless you're getting handed a seven figure check to play a certain team, no one is college hockey is that heads and tails above anyone else that they should be doing 2-1 deals. Booking a 2-1 deal is just stroking someone's ego.

Ryan J
 
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gfmorris said:
It's late May, so ... silly season.

I'll ask: what's so bad about being on the short end of a 2-for-1? I know that y'all from the oWCHA or CCHA are used to having the name schools in your home rink most every year, but is going every other year really the worst thing in the world? Man, I'd love to have 2-for-1s with good teams. If your choice is 2-for-1 or not at all, what do you choose?

GFM
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I get your point, which I think ultimately comes down to "What are my options?" Fortunately, geography and some accommodating athletic directors have allowed us to host some quality opponents (and teams our fans want to see) since the start of the "new" WCHA. The geography thing is why I think some fans of the Michigan schools are a little testy about the 2 for 1s, and I don't blame them. A nearby school, particularly one supported by the same taxpayers that support your school, shouldn't be demanding a 2 for 1.

But (and sorry if this sounds demeaning, since I don't mean it to be) if you're UAH, with nobody nearby and you haven't been able to host many non-con foes in recent years, I would tend to agree that you take what you can get, provided the 2 for 1 offer is from a school of at least a certain amount of leverage in the negotiations.
 
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purpleinnebraska said:
I get your point, which I think ultimately comes down to "What are my options?" Fortunately, geography and some accommodating athletic directors have allowed us to host some quality opponents (and teams our fans want to see) since the start of the "new" WCHA. The geography thing is why I think some fans of the Michigan schools are a little testy about the 2 for 1s, and I don't blame them. A nearby school, particularly one supported by the same taxpayers that support your school, shouldn't be demanding a 2 for 1.

But (and sorry if this sounds demeaning, since I don't mean it to be) if you're UAH, with nobody nearby and you haven't been able to host many non-con foes in recent years, I would tend to agree that you take what you can get, provided the 2 for 1 offer is from a school of at least a certain amount of leverage in the negotiations.
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Hey, I think that's exactly where I come from, but I'll note that this has pretty much always been our situation since moving to D-I in 1999. We've played a lot of top teams ... on the road. We got St. Cloud in three years ago purely because Nic Dowd is from here and Motzko promised him that he'd schedule UAH before Nic graduated. Every so often, we get a Yale, Princeton, or an Ohio State in here, but ... shoot, we'd be happy with the occasional 2-for-1. Sure, the Colorado College deal was a 1-for-1, but ... yay, CC. I'd have to look at how many of our non-AHA visits were reciprocated. [This includes Ferris and Lake, who were both good about 1-for-1s with us.]

But also, I figure that our collective nWCHA need for a stronger PWR dictates that we take 2-for-1s some of the time.

GFM
 
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With 60 D-I teams out there, not even AIC should be accepting 2-for-1 deals. Assuming you don't want to schedule a conference team to fill a non-conference game slot, there are roughly 50 options available to fill those games. If an opponent wants a 2-for-1 deal, tell them to pound sand and move on to the next team. If teams start taking a stand they'll get the message eventually.

Ryan J
 
JohnsonsJerseys said:
With 60 D-I teams out there, not even AIC should be accepting 2-for-1 deals. Assuming you don't want to schedule a conference team to fill a non-conference game slot, there are roughly 50 options available to fill those games. If an opponent wants a 2-for-1 deal, tell them to pound sand and move on to the next team. If teams start taking a stand they'll get the message eventually.

Ryan J
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Outstanding!!!
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
With 60 D-I teams out there, not even AIC should be accepting 2-for-1 deals. Assuming you don't want to schedule a conference team to fill a non-conference game slot, there are roughly 50 options available to fill those games. If an opponent wants a 2-for-1 deal, tell them to pound sand and move on to the next team. If teams start taking a stand they'll get the message eventually.
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... and a tiny number of non-conference games for each school, all that have scheduling issues.

GFM
 
JohnsonsJerseys said:
With 60 D-I teams out there, not even AIC should be accepting 2-for-1 deals. Assuming you don't want to schedule a conference team to fill a non-conference game slot, there are roughly 50 options available to fill those games. If an opponent wants a 2-for-1 deal, tell them to pound sand and move on to the next team. If teams start taking a stand they'll get the message eventually.

Ryan J
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I suspect the teams that demand 2 for 1 are the teams that can. They are teams with no difficulty filling a schedule.
If $3 are available, everyone would prefer $2, but only foolish pride causes you to not take the $1.
 
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SJHovey said:
I suspect the teams that demand 2 for 1 are the teams that can. They are teams with no difficulty filling a schedule.
If $3 are available, everyone would prefer $2, but only foolish pride causes you to not take the $1.
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If everyone refuses to settle for $1, we all would get $1.50...
 
SJHovey said:
I suspect the teams that demand 2 for 1 are the teams that can. They are teams with no difficulty filling a schedule.
If $3 are available, everyone would prefer $2, but only foolish pride causes you to not take the $1.
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Why would you settle for $1??? What is the benefit of scheduling a road series and getting nothing in return? I look at it as 1-for-1 + 0-for-1. There is no benefit on the back end. A Michigan staffer told me, "Everyone wants to play at Yost," like it was some kind of "honor." The truth is that no one has a burning desire to play there.
 
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davyd83 said:
Why would you settle for $1??? What is the benefit of scheduling a road series and getting nothing in return? I look at it as 1-for-1 + 0-for-1. There is no benefit on the back end. A Michigan staffer told me, "Everyone wants to play at Yost," like it was some kind of "honor." The truth is that no one has a burning desire to play there.
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And with how bad that league has been, it has very little benefit, trying to beat the B1G teams...if you lose, its horrible for RPI now...
 
davyd83 said:
Why would you settle for $1??? What is the benefit of scheduling a road series and getting nothing in return? I look at it as 1-for-1 + 0-for-1. There is no benefit on the back end. A Michigan staffer told me, "Everyone wants to play at Yost," like it was some kind of "honor." The truth is that no one has a burning desire to play there.
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Variety of reasons. Exposure for program. Opportunity to play strong teams to increase chances to get in tourney (and I believe chances in the tourney). Build relationship with bigger program (see BSU and UND).

At UND we see both sides. Our hockey team can dictate its schedule for the most part. Our basketball and football teams have to take what they can get.
 
davyd83 said:
Why would you settle for $1??? What is the benefit of scheduling a road series and getting nothing in return? I look at it as 1-for-1 + 0-for-1. There is no benefit on the back end. A Michigan staffer told me, "Everyone wants to play at Yost," like it was some kind of "honor." The truth is that no one has a burning desire to play there.
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It also doesn't help when the B1G schools asking for 2-for-1's and their television broadcast partner don't want certain teams visiting because that little school routinely beat the B1G school in televised games. :D


I do have to say though I don't miss playing the Spartans. Nor Michigan. The B1G school I do miss playing is OhHowIHateOhioState. Really surprised they're not in our rotation of NC opponents.

Ideally, I'd love to see UNO, tUMD, Wisco, tOSU, WMU, and ND in a rotation.
 
aparch said:
It also doesn't help when the B1G schools asking for 2-for-1's and their television broadcast partner don't want certain teams visiting because that little school routinely beat the B1G school in televised games. :D


I do have to say though I don't miss playing the Spartans. Nor Michigan. The B1G school I do miss playing is OhHowIHateOhioState. Really surprised they're not in our rotation of NC opponents.

Ideally, I'd love to see UNO, tUMD, Wisco, tOSU, WMU, and ND in a rotation.
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OSU doesn't want to travel to Marquette. Neither of the NDs will either and WMU shortchanged us on a previous deal. The Wisconsin contract end after the 2017-18 season. The is a deal with UNO in place for this year and next. UMD has most of its NC schedule taken by the other Minnesota schools plus North Dakota. But it's likely that we will see them every several years.
 
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