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2016 WCHA Offseason; It's All Over, Save Ferris

davyd83 said:
So what sort of ultimatum do you think he could have been given?
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No idea. Not sure how coaches are measured or how their contracts are written. It could be a winning percentage metric, a rank in the conference standings metric, a NCAA qualification metric, etc. And, I would have to believe achieving that metric has a timeframe associated with it.

My point is I find it hard to believe that an AD would say, "Here's your target, and by the way, I'm picking the assistants you're going to use to hit that target."
 
blackswampboy said:
true, but BG's rivalries position differs from the rest of the conference. we've still got 2+ games per year available vs. NY/Penn teams, with RIT coming in for one game next season (which leaves a home game, Canisius?). works for me.
absolutely, WCHA teams should work to pick up more games vs. the ECAC. given that the ECAC played us every season through the dark years, not buying that 'reputation' is an issue now. travel, no doubt.
That trip to Potsdam and Canton isn't easy.
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But every team is trying to limit their travel. Bemidji schedules UND, Northern schedules Wisconsin, etc. There's so much conference travel that every team is looking for close non-conference games. The Alaskas each host their own tournament, there's the North Star Cup, etc. It seems like most teams have a set number of OOC games that occur almost every year against certain opponents.
 
pdt1081 said:
But every team is trying to limit their travel. Bemidji schedules UND, Northern schedules Wisconsin, etc. There's so much conference travel that every team is looking for close non-conference games. The Alaskas each host their own tournament, there's the North Star Cup, etc. It seems like most teams have a set number of OOC games that occur almost every year against certain opponents.
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And not just the travel costs. With the realignment, we have to use our non-con games to get the teams the fans want to see. This year, our non-con schedule was UNO, SCSU, MN, and the Cup. There's no HEA or ECAC team I want to see more than that, and if it means going out there, forget it.

We played Providence in Kato 3 years ago, and the place was empty. Do we dump a game with a Minnesota team so we can bring in a "prestige" team that no one wants to see?
 
Re: 2016 WCHA Offseason; It's All Over, Save Ferris

purpleinnebraska said:
Do we dump a game with a Minnesota team so we can bring in a "prestige" team that no one wants to see?
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That's a tough question especially when you factor in the loss of walk-up ticket revenue. I guess the question is, if the out of town team helps your NCAA tourney chances, do you want the best shot at an NCAA title or a team that makes some money and packs the rink?

Since the Western reshuffle a lot of teams (not just MN State) are focusing on the bottom line, but maybe not looking at what is best for the team's chances of getting to the tourney and maybe even winning a title. There have been many discussions about what one or two quality wins by ANY WCHA team this season would have meant for getting a single auto-bid vs 2 or maybe 3 WCHA teams into the tourney.

Ryan J
 
JohnsonsJerseys said:
That's a tough question especially when you factor in the loss of walk-up ticket revenue. I guess the question is, if the out of town team helps your NCAA tourney chances, do you want the best shot at an NCAA title or a team that makes some money and packs the rink?

Since the Western reshuffle a lot of teams (not just MN State) are focusing on the bottom line, but maybe not looking at what is best for the team's chances of getting to the tourney and maybe even winning a title. There have been many discussions about what one or two quality wins by ANY WCHA team this season would have meant for getting a single auto-bid vs 2 or maybe 3 WCHA teams into the tourney.

Ryan J
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I would hazard a guess that a few more WCHA wins over NCHC teams would have made this point moot.
 
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davyd83 said:
I would hazard a guess that a few more WCHA wins over NCHC teams would have made this point moot.
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Yeah, the NCHC killed the WCHA this year. The WCHA had a .500 or better record against everyone BUT the NCHC..... The ASU record at 3-3 is a little disappointing as well.

-5 against Hockey East (3-2-0)
-4 against Atlantic Hockey (3-0-1)
-26 against the NCHC (4-20-2)
-24 against the Big10 (10-9-5)
-7 against the ECAC (4-2-1)
-6 against Arizona State (3-3-0)
 
Re: 2016 WCHA Offseason; It's All Over, Save Ferris

Here are the team by team results from the previous thread. BSU, Tech and Anchorage over .500 with Northern right at .500.

ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (6) 2-4-0
-Connecticut (2) L 5-2, W 5-2
-Colorado College (2) L 5-2, W 2-1
-at North Dakota (2) L 1-0, L 4-1

ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (6) 3-2-1
-Arizona State W 3-2 OT
-St. Cloud State L 6-2
-Rensselaer W 4-3
-American International W 6-2
-Penn State (2) L 5-2, T 1-1

ALASKA (6) 2-4-0
-St Cloud State (Anchorage) L 3-0
-Arizona State (Anchorage) L 2-1
-American International W 7-2
-Rensselaer W 4-2
-at Wisconsin (2) L 4-3, L 5-2

BEMIDJI STATE (8) 5-2-1
-at Minnesota-Duluth W 2-1
-Minnesota-Duluth W 3-2
-North Dakota T 4-4
-at North Dakota L 5-2
-Arizona State (2) W 5-0, W 2-0
-Minnesota (St. Paul) W 4-2
-St. Cloud State (St. Paul) L 5-2

BOWLING GREEN (10) 4-5-1
-at Ohio State W 6-3
-Ohio State W 2-0
-at Western Michigan L 4-1
-at Canisius W 4-2
-at RIT T 2-2
-Western Michigan (Toledo) L 1-0
-Clarkson (2) W 6-3, L 3-2
-at Miami L 2-1
-Miami L 4-1

FERRIS STATE (7) 2-3-2
-at Western Michigan L 3-2
-Western Michigan T 1-1
-Wisconsin (2) T 5-5, W 2-1
-Harvard (Minneapolis) L 7-3
-Connecticut (Minneapolis) W 5-2
-at Michigan L 5-2

LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (10) 3-7-0
-North Dakota (Portland, ME) L 5-2
-Michigan State (Portland, ME) L 4-1
-at Northern Michigan L 6-3
-Northern Michigan W 4-0
-at Michigan State (2) W 4-2, L 2-0
-Arizona State (2) L 3-2, L 3-2 (OT)
-at Vermont L 1-0
-Brown (at Vermont) W 3-0

MICHIGAN TECH (6) 3-1-2
-at Michigan State (2) W 5-4 (OT), T 4-4
-Michigan State (Detroit) W 3-2 OT
-Michigan (Detroit) L 4-2
-Connecticut (Glendale, AZ) W 4-2
-Yale (Glendale, AZ) T 1-1

MINNESOTA STATE (8) 2-6-0
-Nebraska-Omaha (2) L 3-2, L 2-0
-at St. Cloud State (2) L 4-0, L 3-0
-Minnesota L 4-0
-at Minnesota W 3-2 (OT)
-St. Cloud State (St. Paul) L 5-4
-Minnesota (St. Paul) W 3-2

NORTHERN MICHIGAN (8) 3-3-2
-at Wisconsin (2) T 2-2, T 3-3
-Lake Superior State W 6-3
-at Lake Superior State L 4-0
-Michigan (Detroit) L 3-2
-Michigan State (Detroit) W 2-1 OT
-Minnesota-Duluth (2) W 4-3, L 3-1
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
Here are the team by team results from the previous thread. BSU, Tech and Anchorage over .500 with Northern right at .500.

ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (6) 2-4-0
-Connecticut (2) L 5-2, W 5-2
-Colorado College (2) L 5-2, W 2-1
-at North Dakota (2) L 1-0, L 4-1

ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (6) 3-2-1
-Arizona State W 3-2 OT
-St. Cloud State L 6-2
-Rensselaer W 4-3
-American International W 6-2
-Penn State (2) L 5-2, T 1-1

ALASKA (6) 2-4-0
-St Cloud State (Anchorage) L 3-0
-Arizona State (Anchorage) L 2-1
-American International W 7-2
-Rensselaer W 4-2
-at Wisconsin (2) L 4-3, L 5-2

BEMIDJI STATE (8) 5-2-1
-at Minnesota-Duluth W 2-1
-Minnesota-Duluth W 3-2
-North Dakota T 4-4
-at North Dakota L 5-2
-Arizona State (2) W 5-0, W 2-0
-Minnesota (St. Paul) W 4-2
-St. Cloud State (St. Paul) L 5-2

BOWLING GREEN (10) 4-5-1
-at Ohio State W 6-3
-Ohio State W 2-0
-at Western Michigan L 4-1
-at Canisius W 4-2
-at RIT T 2-2
-Western Michigan (Toledo) L 1-0
-Clarkson (2) W 6-3, L 3-2
-at Miami L 2-1
-Miami L 4-1

FERRIS STATE (7) 2-3-2
-at Western Michigan L 3-2
-Western Michigan T 1-1
-Wisconsin (2) T 5-5, W 2-1
-Harvard (Minneapolis) L 7-3
-Connecticut (Minneapolis) W 5-2
-at Michigan L 5-2

LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (10) 3-7-0
-North Dakota (Portland, ME) L 5-2
-Michigan State (Portland, ME) L 4-1
-at Northern Michigan L 6-3
-Northern Michigan W 4-0
-at Michigan State (2) W 4-2, L 2-0
-Arizona State (2) L 3-2, L 3-2 (OT)
-at Vermont L 1-0
-Brown (at Vermont) W 3-0

MICHIGAN TECH (6) 3-1-2
-at Michigan State (2) W 5-4 (OT), T 4-4
-Michigan State (Detroit) W 3-2 OT
-Michigan (Detroit) L 4-2
-Connecticut (Glendale, AZ) W 4-2
-Yale (Glendale, AZ) T 1-1

MINNESOTA STATE (8) 2-6-0
-Nebraska-Omaha (2) L 3-2, L 2-0
-at St. Cloud State (2) L 4-0, L 3-0
-Minnesota L 4-0
-at Minnesota W 3-2 (OT)
-St. Cloud State (St. Paul) L 5-4
-Minnesota (St. Paul) W 3-2

NORTHERN MICHIGAN (8) 3-3-2
-at Wisconsin (2) T 2-2, T 3-3
-Lake Superior State W 6-3
-at Lake Superior State L 4-0
-Michigan (Detroit) L 3-2
-Michigan State (Detroit) W 2-1 OT
-Minnesota-Duluth (2) W 4-3, L 3-1
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The WCHA's Top #2 & #3 teams went 0-9-0 vs the NCHC. My gut instinct say that if BG & Mankato had gone 5-4--0 instead of 0-9-0 vs the NCHC, the WCHA would likely have had at least one more team still playing last weekend. Flying from Bemidji to Bently or Houghton to Holy Cross wouldn't have remedied that.
 
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davyd83 said:
The WCHA's Top #2 & #3 teams went 0-9-0 vs the NCHC. My gut instinct say that if BG & Mankato had gone 5-4--0 instead of 0-9-0 vs the NCHC, the WCHA would likely have had at least one more team still playing last weekend. Flying from Bemidji to Bently or Houghton to Holy Cross wouldn't have remedied that.
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You don't need to use your gut, 4-5 gets the league MSU & FSU...to get 3 teams in, you'd need 6-3 with most of those 6 by BGSU or MTU flipping 1 result somewhere plus MSU/BGSU going 4-5 in those games.
 
davyd83 said:
The WCHA's Top #2 & #3 teams went 0-9-0 vs the NCHC. My gut instinct say that if BG & Mankato had gone 5-4--0 instead of 0-9-0 vs the NCHC, the WCHA would likely have had at least one more team still playing last weekend. Flying from Bemidji to Bently or Houghton to Holy Cross wouldn't have remedied that.
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And doing better in those games to get to the ncaa is the only thing that will change the perception of the league. The league will get there, but 8ts time for the top teams to do it. 2 years ago, msu and mtu did. This last year they didnt.
 
Shirtless Guy said:
You don't need to use your gut, 4-5 gets the league MSU & FSU...to get 3 teams in, you'd need 6-3 with most of those 6 by BGSU or MTU flipping 1 result somewhere plus MSU/BGSU going 4-5 in those games.
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I can't believe that going 4-20-2 against the NCHC is really going to be a typical. I have to believe that is a one season abarration and not the new normal.
 
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Almington said:
I can't believe that going 4-20-2 against the NCHC is really going to be a typical. I have to believe that is a one season abarration and not the new normal.
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I'm too lazy to do it now... but I wonder what the breakdown of home and away is and if there is any impact there. I'd total 'em up but... I'm at work :D
 
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stuckinwi said:
I'm too lazy to do it now... but I wonder what the breakdown of home and away is and if there is any impact there. I'd total 'em up but... I'm at work :D
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Home/Away wasn't the issue this year.
3-7-2 at home
1-8-0 on road
0-4-0 neutral
 
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Wi.Huskies Fan said:
Any idea what records are against each other since the NACHO split league with us? Like Almington mentioned above, I don't think it will be a trend.
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GP Overall (Home/Road/Neutral) Regular Season Records
25 4-19-2 (3-7-2/1-8-0/0-4-0) in 2015-16
23 8-14-1 (3-4-0/4-10-1/1-0-0) in 2014-15
24 4-14-6 (2-4-3/1-5-3/1-5-0) in 2013-14
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
GP Overall (Home/Road/Neutral) Regular Season Records
25 4-19-2 (3-7-2/1-8-0/0-4-0) in 2015-16
23 8-14-1 (3-4-0/4-10-1/1-0-0) in 2014-15
24 4-14-6 (2-4-3/1-5-3/1-5-0) in 2013-14
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How does that compare with how Hockey East did against Atlantic Hockey? What about Hockey East and the ECAC?

I think as long as the WCHA as a conference stays around .400 against the NCHC and B1G and the top teams around .500, the league should be able to get 2 sometimes 3 teams in.
 
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