2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

[joecct]

Jose Bautista re-signs with Jays, 1 year, $18 million.

With option years for 2 more and bonuses that could make the total $20 million.

And why is Marvin Miller NOT in the HOF?

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

And why is Marvin Miller NOT in the HOF?

Same reason that Charles Comiskey is. MLB is run by the owners.

 

[aparch]

Andruw Jones has a wait ahead of him. I would not be surprised to see Vizquel get in, barely, to make for a class of 5. Chipper and Thome are slam dunks to me, and as I said before, Vlad and Hoffman are all but in next year.

The next few years are going to be interesting. So many names, all that need 75% or higher. I feel bad for some of the guys who are eliminated right away thanks to the 5% rule.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Transparent voting is going to get rid of alot of the protest votes. So it should be easier for guys to get a fair shake.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

No.

 

[joecct]

No.

Not only No, but HELL NO!!

Stop micromanaging & let the players play.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

F_ck the MLB with everything if this goes forward.

 

[Hammer]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Gulf Coast League is very low A-ball. Not that big of a deal.

This is still an awful idea.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Why are they trying to fix extra innings? It's not like every game goes extra, and not every extra inning game is a 19 inning affair.

I'd bet the average extra inning game is 11 innings.

 

[jen]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Why are they trying to fix extra innings? It's not like every game goes extra, and not every extra inning game is a 19 inning affair.

I'd bet the average extra inning game is 11 innings.

Exactly. Extra innings are not the problem.

Limit catchers' visits to the mound instead.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Why are they trying to fix extra innings? It's not like every game goes extra, and not every extra inning game is a 19 inning affair.

I'd bet the average extra inning game is 11 innings.

Nailed it. Since 1970, the average is 2 (range of 1.763 to 2.446). The average has actually been slightly decreasing since 1970, but since 2000ish, it's been increasing.

G	Year	ERA	IP	H	R	ER	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BF	WHIP	PA	AB	2B	3B	HR	SB	CS	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	SH	SF	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+
370	2016	3.37	796.1	723	323	298	410	106	777	31	3493	1.423	3493	2980	132	11	76	56	18	.243	.339	.371	.710	1105	47	58	14	27	.302	94
424	2015	3.64	870.2	848	385	352	419	110	808	32	3815	1.455	3815	3278	136	11	91	60	29	.259	.346	.390	.736	1279	63	63	22	35	.315	105
464	2014	3.56	1029.0	945	439	407	465	142	976	47	4463	1.370	4463	3824	160	20	97	98	23	.247	.334	.376	.709	1436	77	96	29	36	.305	104
486	2013	3.59	1076.1	984	459	429	518	154	943	40	4695	1.395	4695	3990	161	12	94	73	18	.247	.337	.364	.701	1451	73	123	21	37	.299	98
384	2012	3.90	792.0	777	381	343	417	106	755	45	3568	1.508	3568	3012	134	16	71	74	23	.258	.355	.384	.739	1156	42	75	19	31	.320	106
474	2011	3.78	926.2	887	445	389	499	153	776	38	4142	1.496	4142	3462	160	16	82	75	19	.256	.354	.383	.736	1325	63	113	29	42	.306	106
440	2010	3.70	800.0	776	352	329	430	128	681	28	3565	1.508	3565	2997	113	13	76	64	24	.259	.355	.381	.736	1143	57	89	20	30	.310	104
390	2009	4.21	789.2	751	395	369	439	120	682	29	3541	1.507	3541	2974	122	13	83	60	16	.253	.353	.386	.739	1148	50	85	14	39	.300	98
416	2008	3.77	861.0	845	399	361	470	139	701	30	3854	1.527	3854	3254	138	17	93	64	21	.260	.356	.398	.755	1296	66	79	21	40	.303	103
440	2007	3.90	854.2	855	404	370	431	129	698	40	3821	1.505	3821	3223	155	15	81	66	20	.265	.356	.398	.754	1283	64	96	31	35	.313	100
370	2006	3.70	763.2	728	347	314	399	142	608	33	3399	1.476	3399	2866	126	9	75	65	17	.254	.350	.383	.733	1097	55	85	16	33	.297	92
364	2005	4.11	684.2	682	337	313	333	109	536	26	3043	1.482	3043	2593	125	21	74	36	15	.263	.352	.413	.765	1071	48	82	9	31	.305	105
436	2004	3.63	854.0	779	390	344	470	137	696	43	3790	1.463	3790	3127	114	13	98	72	19	.249	.352	.388	.740	1213	67	123	27	44	.289	96
394	2003	3.90	810.0	774	389	351	416	117	643	27	3584	1.469	3584	3034	125	11	104	60	29	.255	.348	.406	.754	1233	62	86	21	43	.290	101
401	2002	3.96	796.0	772	374	350	469	144	603	23	3575	1.559	3575	2969	133	12	77	59	24	.260	.363	.391	.754	1160	63	93	21	32	.301	103
392	2001	4.15	737.2	735	368	340	391	119	628	43	3312	1.526	3312	2777	120	11	88	63	24	.265	.362	.411	.773	1141	55	80	21	37	.311	105
404	2000	4.18	719.0	699	363	334	446	118	599	32	3287	1.592	3287	2695	106	11	78	65	20	.259	.369	.394	.763	1061	52	95	18	37	.305	97
382	1999	4.01	677.1	598	345	302	405	104	588	32	3034	1.481	3034	2483	99	9	75	61	26	.241	.351	.379	.730	940	47	83	29	44	.283	89
414	1998	3.91	843.0	838	410	366	456	135	694	28	3802	1.535	3802	3190	128	13	79	76	23	.263	.358	.385	.743	1229	55	104	23	44	.311	98
392	1997	3.78	762.2	736	356	320	470	112	630	28	3439	1.581	3439	2832	107	9	66	67	40	.260	.368	.374	.742	1059	48	88	21	34	.311	98
436	1996	3.92	861.1	827	417	375	564	155	709	27	3934	1.615	3934	3208	131	13	76	84	29	.258	.371	.378	.748	1212	65	108	27	40	.307	98

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[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

G	Year	ERA	IP	H	R	ER	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BF	WHIP	PA	AB	2B	3B	HR	SB	CS	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	SH	SF	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+
360	1995	3.75	709.2	723	331	296	399	122	524	29	3219	1.581	3219	2671	123	9	65	63	28	.271	.369	.396	.766	1059	45	101	19	29	.313	104
286	1994	4.37	533.0	551	288	259	295	85	382	21	2441	1.587	2441	2046	84	13	59	40	18	.269	.365	.410	.775	838	30	68	11	29	.304	104
392	1993	3.51	787.1	749	358	307	441	155	568	22	3540	1.511	3540	2922	119	17	60	72	23	.256	.355	.370	.725	1082	60	123	32	62	.296	99
420	1992	3.19	972.2	893	369	345	485	170	678	26	4225	1.417	4225	3553	126	16	58	87	44	.251	.343	.345	.688	1225	60	136	24	41	.294	98
G	Year	ERA	IP	H	R	ER	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BF	WHIP	PA	AB	2B	3B	HR	SB	CS	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	SH	SF	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+
440	1991	4.07	883.1	871	449	399	489	152	607	31	3990	1.540	3990	3321	133	14	84	95	31	.262	.360	.387	.747	1284	48	125	23	50	.297	112
364	1990	3.69	709.0	699	328	291	375	138	496	21	3159	1.515	3159	2663	79	16	59	88	38	.262	.357	.371	.727	987	49	89	11	42	.302	106
383	1989	2.95	857.2	780	325	281	410	161	659	16	3711	1.387	3711	3155	110	13	50	82	39	.247	.334	.338	.672	1066	50	100	28	46	.295	94
394	1988	3.16	882.0	785	360	310	447	146	592	18	3831	1.397	3831	3218	105	17	64	84	36	.244	.337	.347	.684	1116	59	119	29	57	.278	98
400	1987	4.16	705.0	737	358	326	391	131	522	16	3198	1.600	3198	2698	105	16	81	68	26	.273	.367	.414	.781	1117	53	82	11	38	.311	111
440	1986	3.87	846.0	827	422	364	482	151	624	19	3810	1.547	3810	3176	127	22	80	101	35	.260	.359	.390	.749	1238	52	107	25	49	.299	109
410	1985	3.69	828.2	820	385	340	444	161	508	23	3697	1.525	3697	3102	125	14	80	81	35	.264	.359	.391	.750	1213	64	111	17	51	.292	111
406	1984	3.65	833.2	832	400	338	446	161	558	13	3748	1.533	3748	3155	125	16	62	90	30	.264	.355	.372	.727	1175	57	111	22	70	.301	106
380	1983	3.38	835.2	823	352	314	441	161	484	15	3698	1.513	3698	3104	136	16	53	62	41	.265	.357	.370	.728	1150	66	116	21	42	.298	105
424	1982	3.19	975.2	931	385	346	470	177	626	26	4273	1.436	4273	3603	126	18	71	89	38	.258	.345	.362	.708	1306	60	142	32	53	.293	100
284	1981	3.12	637.2	616	249	221	322	120	334	11	2809	1.471	2809	2353	74	16	47	51	34	.262	.350	.367	.717	863	43	97	23	37	.285	109
422	1980	3.04	1010.0	910	394	341	496	192	580	21	4376	1.392	4376	3689	121	22	69	86	39	.247	.337	.348	.685	1282	70	144	24	57	.274	93
366	1979	3.30	774.2	779	333	284	390	145	498	16	3435	1.509	3435	2909	98	16	53	57	33	.268	.355	.367	.723	1068	58	100	19	41	.305	100
384	1978	3.47	762.0	768	341	294	418	134	450	15	3421	1.556	3421	2842	102	13	51	70	37	.270	.364	.369	.733	1049	48	120	24	41	.303	110
424	1977	3.52	910.1	884	403	356	462	165	592	18	4029	1.479	4029	3394	130	17	77	89	44	.260	.349	.377	.726	1279	50	125	29	55	.293	100
404	1976	2.79	988.1	883	359	306	447	170	530	25	4263	1.346	4263	3622	122	15	49	80	37	.244	.328	.326	.655	1182	72	135	34	64	.271	93
378	1975	3.21	847.0	809	353	302	433	149	479	17	3718	1.466	3718	3136	112	11	50	61	41	.258	.350	.349	.698	1093	57	119	13	50	.290	100
382	1974	2.86	875.1	792	307	278	420	162	480	13	3783	1.385	3783	3196	116	13	46	43	22	.248	.335	.335	.671	1072	64	129	23	41	.277	94
380	1970	3.80	815.1	794	392	344	461	162	515	24	3672	1.539	3672	3058	113	23	64	50	29	.260	.359	.374	.733	1145	52	107	22	55	.292	107

[thead] [/thead]

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

G	Year	ERA	IP	H	R	ER	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BF	WHIP	PA	AB	2B	3B	HR	SB	CS	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	SH	SF	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+
379	1969	3.68	842.0	825	392	344	481	160	501	21	3768	1.551	3768	3137	104	20	79	67	28	.263	.362	.384	.747	1206	58	106	23	44	.289	117
246	1961	3.61	479.1	449	227	192	243	54	308	9	2118	1.444	2118	1792	52	15	58	16	10	.251	.342	.393	.735	705	28	67	7	35	.273	103
280	1960	3.68	577.2	572	270	236	278	85	384	18	2573	1.471	2573	2199	73	17	52	17	18	.260	.347	.380	.726	835	40	68	10	36	.293	105

[thead] [/thead]

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Other interesting trends:
HRs have been steadily increasing. Almost .72/yr
SOs have been rapidly increasing. 7.1/yr
Hs are flat
2Bs are increasing at about .7/yr
tOPS+ is flat
BABIP is steadily increasing.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Why are they trying to fix extra innings? It's not like every game goes extra, and not every extra inning game is a 19 inning affair.

I'd bet the average extra inning game is 11 innings.

Without MLB stating as much, it has to do with beer sales and concession stand operations in general at the stadiums. If the beer sales normally close after the 7th, and other concessions after the 8th, then when you hit extra innings you could see the casual fans becoming less entertained, and the drunks who're sobering up started towards that unruly state. Add to that, people have lives outside of the games and the crowds will start to leave the game earlier than the end of the game, either putting the kids to bed after a night game or whatever other plans following a day game.

Baseball in general has an issue with younger generations losing interest in their game. Attention spans have shortened, and baseball was built in an era where people could watch a long game without issue, entertaining themselves and reveling in the minutia of the moment. Baseball has issues, and MLB is trying to adjust to those issues.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Without MLB stating as much, it has to do with beer sales and concession stand operations in general at the stadiums. If the beer sales normally close after the 7th, and other concessions after the 8th, then when you hit extra innings you could see the casual fans becoming less entertained, and the drunks who're sobering up started towards that unruly state. Add to that, people have lives outside of the games and the crowds will start to leave the game earlier than the end of the game, either putting the kids to bed after a night game or whatever other plans following a day game.

Baseball in general has an issue with younger generations losing interest in their game. Attention spans have shortened, and baseball was built in an era where people could watch a long game without issue, entertaining themselves and reveling in the minutia of the moment. Baseball has issues, and MLB is trying to adjust to those issues.

This is why I hate young people. They ruin everything!

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Other interesting trends:
SOs have been rapidly increasing. 7.1/yr

That better be .71/yr.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Limit catchers' visits to the mound instead.

Pitcher must face at least 2 batters. Eliminates LOOGYs and just generally makes the world a happier place. No more 4 pitching changes in a half inning.

If you want to make it fun pitcher must be in the game for at least 2 batters. Bring back Jesse Orosco in RF. I'd trade the time to switch players to have a 2-pitcher switch-off.

But you don't get warm ups pitches when you come in the second time.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

That better be .71/yr.

I'm probably having a 'woosh' moment, but...

It's really 7.1/yr. ~500 in the 1970s to 800-1,000 in the late 2010s.

 

[CLS]

Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

Seems to me that putting a runner on second makes it almost too easy. Does someone have stats as to the probability of scoring a run with no outs, runner on second? I don’t remember, but is seems like it was pretty high, especially if a team is only playing for one run.

What I think would be hilarious is if they get a bunch of “unintended consequences” games that go fifteen innings because there are a succession of one run innings that go (1)runner advances to third on a bunt, sacrifice fly, or ground ball to the right side (2) runner scores on pretty much anything other than ground ball directly at a drawn-in infielder, pop fly to an infielder, or strikeout.