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2015-2016 Division I Commitments

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Awaiting the outcry from other female players and/or their parents who were denied the opportunity to play for their local boys teams and/or were not aware of the opportunity, followed next season by at least 1 girl in every town asking to try out for the boys team. This is a slippery slope - see New Hampshire where this eventually ended up in a civil suit to allow Shelby Harrington to play on her HS boy's team. And what does this do to the sanctity of MN girls HS hockey and the togetherness of being with the same group of local girls for many years - what do the MN purists think of this? Oh no..... the horror!!!!

Should be entertaining for us Easterners if it starts to spin out of control! :)
I could be proven wrong but my suspicion is the vast majority would / will opt for remaining in the high school girls game. What would concern me is the parent(s) involvement telling their daughters this is what you should / have to do. Wouldn't it seem pertinent to weigh any perceived advantage over potential injury? Maybe increased potential?

I'm certainly not interested in any gender debate. If it were me I think I would "gently" advise my daughter against it.
 
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Awaiting the outcry from other female players and/or their parents who were denied the opportunity to play for their local boys teams and/or were not aware of the opportunity, followed next season by at least 1 girl in every town asking to try out for the boys team. This is a slippery slope - see New Hampshire where this eventually ended up in a civil suit to allow Shelby Harrington to play on her HS boy's team. And what does this do to the sanctity of MN girls HS hockey and the togetherness of being with the same group of local girls for many years - what do the MN purists think of this? Oh no..... the horror!!!!

Should be entertaining for us Easterners if it starts to spin out of control! :)

I agree with Brookyone. NH boys HS Hockey is not MN HS Hockey and with her size it allowed her to play with a smaller risk to injury. Her parents also have money thus allowing them to sue for what the want. I think the final ruling in NH was that she was grandfathered and all other girls will have to play on the girls teams?
 
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I could be proven wrong but my suspicion is the vast majority would / will opt for remaining in the high school girls game. What would concern me is the parent(s) involvement telling their daughters this is what you should / have to do. Wouldn't it seem pertinent to weigh any perceived advantage over potential injury? Maybe increased potential?

I'm certainly not interested in any gender debate. If it were me I think I would "gently" advise my daughter against it.

I too would question the move except that Miss Rooney is a goalie, which is a whole different ball of wax as far as gender and safety.
 
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I agree with Brookyone. NH boys HS Hockey is not MN HS Hockey and with her size it allowed her to play with a smaller risk to injury. Her parents also have money thus allowing them to sue for what the want. I think the final ruling in NH was that she was grandfathered and all other girls will have to play on the girls teams?

My understanding of the NH ruling is consistent with what you said - but I hear there is a group of parents getting ready to challenge that legally again (and the ACLU would support them in an equality style case, which is what this is). In any case, I am not arguing that girls should be playing boys HS hockey (I actually don't think so). And to Brookyone's point the vast majority won't - as a minimum because the vast majority wouldn't make a boys HS team in a tryout situation. But there will likely be 1 or 2 real candidates in every town (MN has big girls also I'm told :)). And some of these parents will pressure their kids to play on the boys team to up their attractiveness in the college recruiting process if given the opportunity (even if the girls don't want to) - mark my words on this one. Again - it could end up being pretty entertaining to those of us who have watched it happen elsewhere .... could end up being pretty disruptive in MN where hockey is such a focus... time will tell.
 
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I too would question the move except that Miss Rooney is a goalie, which is a whole different ball of wax as far as gender and safety.

It will be the rare girl who would want to play MN High School hockey with the boys who doesn't play goalie.

Apparently the coach guaranteed she'd make the team, but would not guarantee playing time. Acknowledging only that she'll be one of the 2 best goalies on the team.
http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_article/show/443857?referrer_id=982551
 
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It will be the rare girl who would want to play MN High School hockey with the boys who doesn't play goalie.

Apparently the coach guaranteed she'd make the team, but would not guarantee playing time. Acknowledging only that she'll be one of the 2 best goalies on the team.
http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_article/show/443857?referrer_id=982551

I think you would find it isn't nearly as rare as you might think if the opportunity is available on a widespread basis. 1 or 2 girls a town...they wouldn't all necessarily make the team of course.
 
I think you would find it isn't nearly as rare as you might think if the opportunity is available on a widespread basis. 1 or 2 girls a town...they wouldn't all necessarily make the team of course.

If a (non-MN) high school aged girl plays on a boys team instead of a high caliber girls AAA team, does that reduce her opportunities to get scouted at the better girls AAA tournaments? Or is it preferable to switch to girls AAA at some point in order to be "seen"? Guessing there aren't too many women's college scouts going to boys tournaments...are there?
 
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If a (non-MN) high school aged girl plays on a boys team instead of a high caliber girls AAA team, does that reduce her opportunities to get scouted at the better girls AAA tournaments? Or is it preferable to switch to girls AAA at some point in order to be "seen"? Guessing there aren't too many women's college scouts going to boys tournaments...are there?

There are plenty of summer showcases and other events where they can be scouted. And if the girl gives advance notice to schools in the area where her boy's team is playing, the scouts will come to the games. For those in the hinterlands where there is limited girls hockey and so have to play boys, it isn't much of a hinderance and in many cases, is an advantage.
 
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If a (non-MN) high school aged girl plays on a boys team instead of a high caliber girls AAA team, does that reduce her opportunities to get scouted at the better girls AAA tournaments? Or is it preferable to switch to girls AAA at some point in order to be "seen"? Guessing there aren't too many women's college scouts going to boys tournaments...are there?

You're assuming that playing on a boys high school team eliminates the opportunity to play on a AAA girls team. At least in New England and mid-Atlantic, that is far from the case - pretty much all of the AAA girls programs of significance (excepting the Shamrocks and JWHL) are set up to allow girls to play on their high/prep school teams during the season and practice/play AAA on Saturday nights and Sundays. This includes Assabet, Polar Bears, MF Stars, Wizards, Spitfires, Breakers, NJ Colonials, etc.
 
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In MI Abby Roque (U18 team), plays AAA hockey from August - Nov 1. She is seen by scouts at NAHA Labor Day, Stoney Creek, MN Elite Weekend, and the USA Canada Cup tourney. (Not to mention she has beeen to U.S. National camps and the U18 U.S. - Canada series). She plays for her hometown boys HS team after November 1. In the past MI Tier1 rules keep her from returning when her HS season is over. In MI you are not allowed to be rostered on two teams, and rosters are set on Dec 31 - so (in the past) she has been unable to return to AAA hockey and USA National Championships
 
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If a (non-MN) high school aged girl plays on a boys team instead of a high caliber girls AAA team, does that reduce her opportunities to get scouted at the better girls AAA tournaments? Or is it preferable to switch to girls AAA at some point in order to be "seen"? Guessing there aren't too many women's college scouts going to boys tournaments...are there?

Your wording was specific, so I'll respond accordingly. Playing on a boys (non-MN) HS team vs. a "high caliber" AAA girls team - of course it "reduces" you opportunties to be scouted. In some cases, it reduces them drastically.

Is is possible for a girl to be seen on a boys team? Sure. If you are a Team USA level player, it doesn't matter. O'Neil (mentioned above) already committed so being seen is irrelevant to her.

I will mention my biggest concern with girls playing boys (when they have a good AAA/MN HS girls alternative) - injury, specifically concussion risk. Boys check to the head (especially less skilled boys or in spring leagues when the boys really are out there to knock the snot out of people and don't care if they are ejected). Girls tend to be shorter than boys and their heads line up pretty well with boys elbows. In my opinion, it isn't worth the increased risk even if you thought it helped your daughter get a little better.

Jincy Dunne played boys HS (and Boys AAA) last year after she was dropped from the olympic team - rumor is she suffered a concussion playing HS.
 
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And what does this do to the sanctity of MN girls HS hockey and the togetherness of being with the same group of local girls for many years - what do the MN purists think of this? Oh no..... the horror!!!!

Should be entertaining for us Easterners if it starts to spin out of control! :)
Not sure what the big deal is. There have always been girls who have played on HS boys teams. A number of former Gophers come to mind, like Wendell, Wacker, Willey. You're easily entertained.
 
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UCONN

Player....................Position ...............(Current Team) .......................Hometown
Erica Derrico...........Forward..............Northern Cyclones.....................Concord NH
 
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St Cloud State
Ivy Dynek................F......................(CYA)....................Northfield, IL
 
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As per Twitter:

Ohio State

Maddie Field......F............( Oakville jr Hornets ) ...........Oakville, Ontario
 
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As per Twitter:

Ohio State

Maddie Field......F............( Oakville jr Hornets ) ...........Oakville, Ontario

Looking at M Field's stats on the Ontario jr league website (PWHL) she is second in scoring. Nice pick up for Ohio. If I'm not mistaken the girl first in scoring is also a Buckeye commit
 
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There have always been girls who have played on HS boys teams.

but they all switched to the girls teams later in HS, the only girl to play as a senior I can think of was the Edina goalie who played against former MN Wild Darby Hendrickson's Richfield team in the section finals and lost. It was 1991 and Willard Ikola's last year as coach.
and what's the big deal over this particular girl, she isn't even the only one playing boys hockey although it appears all of them that do are goalies

if girls can play on the boys teams, boys should be able to play on the girls team
 
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if girls can play on the boys teams, boys should be able to play on the girls team

That would be logical IF there were equal opportunity for boys and girls in youth sports but there isn't, boys have a much larger opportunity. There is at least one court ruling, this being around a fast-pitch softball program, that boys in the community did not have an equal program in baseball & boys had to be permitted on the girls team. But there was no great rush, seems boys attitudes discouraged other boys from wanting to play with the girls.
 
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St Cloud State
Megan Lalor.......................F.............................(St. Albert/POE)......................Alberta
Jordan Stewart ..................F .............................(CYA) ....................Machesney Park, IL**

**Decommit from Union
 
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