2014-2015 College Football Thread: A New Era Begins..

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Just because I was curious, I looked it up. At the end of the play in question there was 2:19 left in regulation and Miami had one timeout left. OSU had to punt from their own 32 instead of having a first down from their own 42. We'll obviously never know what would've happened, but I think it's extremely likely that OSU wins in regulation if that is called correctly, and in the end the team that deserved to win ("deserved" meaning how they played that night, any violations occurring within either program not withstanding) won the game and people often forget blown call #1 that probably led to blown call #2.
You're point about the B1G sucking for decades is accurate.

FWIW, 2:19 left in regulation back in 2002 isn't the same as 2:19 left in regulation today. 2:19 back in 2002 with a 25 second play clock and 1 timeout was plenty of time for Miami to force a 3 and out, and, assuming that Miami would return the ensuing punt 50+ yards, there would be plenty of time for them to get the game-tying FG. That being said, this blown call didn't cost Ohio State the game. The blown PI call literally cost Miami the title.

 

[Dirty]

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Penn State fans are seriously like a cult.
They dress similarly, all wearing white.
They display a near fanatic devotion to their leader, dismissing and ignoring anything that goes against the belief that is he perfect.
They cover up and excuse child molestation.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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That's terrifyingly accurate.

 

[French Rage]

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Does Penn State still have to suffer the punishment of playing in the B1G?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Or does the big ten still have to suffer the punishment of being affiliated with penn state.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Or does the big ten still have to suffer the punishment of being affiliated with penn state.

This. Hard to believe it only took two days to up the embarrassment of Saturday.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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No ****ing ****.

This has been an absolute **** day for all of us as humans. I'm so disgusted right now.

 

[MavHockey14]

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**** penn state. First they ruin college hockey, then all of the events leading to today. Gross.

 

[jerphisch]

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That was 1994, not 1990. In 1990, their big running back was Eric Bieniemy.

Who was permanently banned from campus for choking a female parking attendant among other things, until they wanted him back as a coach.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

**** penn state. First they ruin college hockey...

I don't know, it was all downhill after the WCHA expanded past 8 teams.

 

[JF_Gophers]

**** penn state. First they ruin college hockey, then all of the events leading to today. Gross.

I thought UND ruined college hockey.

 

[Kepler]

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Who was permanently banned from campus for choking a female parking attendant among other things, until they wanted him back as a coach.

To be fair, parking attendants are somewhere between lawyers and bond traders on the Human Scum Scale.

 

[Kepler]

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Penn State fans are seriously like a cult.
They dress similarly, all wearing white.
They display a near fanatic devotion to their leader, dismissing and ignoring anything that goes against the belief that is he perfect.
They cover up and excuse child molestation.

But do they smoke?

 

[pgb-ohio]

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FWIW, 2:19 left in regulation back in 2002 isn't the same as 2:19 left in regulation today. 2:19 back in 2002 with a 25 second play clock and 1 timeout was plenty of time for Miami to force a 3 and out...

That's a good catch, and a point worth discussing. However UM's prospects wouldn't have been nearly as rosy as you make them sound. With OSU running three plays and executing two twenty-five second rundowns, the best case scenario for the UM offense would have been about a minute left. I don't recall and it's not worth looking up, but I doubt we were out of timeouts. Meaning that we could have run the clock down without loss of yardage for delay of game penalties.

It also must be remembered that at that point of the game, UM's offense wasn't having much success against OSU's defense. In fact, they hardly forward after the punt return -- when they had the strong incentive of winning in regulation. Assuming a successful 1:00 drill covering a lot of yardage is a little brave.

Finally, you're also assuming OSU wouldn't have been able to get another first down after retaining possession. Now I certainly wouldn't care to "guarantee" that first down. But frankly it's a more likely outcome than the successful 1:00 drill.

...and, assuming that Miami would return the ensuing punt 50+ yards, there would be plenty of time for them to get the game-tying FG.

Assuming a 50+ punt return after another set of downs isn't just brave, it's fanciful. Roll the dice, and it comes up 12. Roll the dice again, and you've already "proven" another 12 will result?? Please. Much more likely the ensuing punt pins UM deep in their own territory.

That being said, this blown call didn't cost Ohio State the game.

As per the above, it took away a very high probability of winning in regulation.

The blown PI call literally cost Miami the title.

It was a ticky-tacky make-up call. Whether it was a "blown" call is the question, not necessarily the answer.

Of course you're correct that the last penalty reversed a "match point." But the whole sequence of events stemmed from flawed officiating, leaving both teams with potentially valid claims. I thank HumRsky for recalling the fuller story and taking the time to post it.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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That's a good catch, and a point worth discussing. However UM's prospects wouldn't have been nearly as rosy as you make them sound. With OSU running three plays and executing two twenty-five second rundowns, the best case scenario for the UM offense would have been about a minute left. I don't recall and it's not worth looking up, but I doubt we were out of timeouts. Meaning that we could have run the clock down without loss of yardage for delay of game penalties.

It also must be remembered that at that point of the game, UM's offense wasn't having much success against OSU's defense. In fact, they hardly forward after the punt return -- when they had the strong incentive of winning in regulation. Assuming a successful 1:00 drill covering a lot of yardage is a little brave.

Finally, you're also assuming OSU wouldn't have been able to get another first down after retaining possession. Now I certainly wouldn't care to "guarantee" that first down. But frankly it's a more likely outcome than the successful 1:00 drill.

Assuming a 50+ punt return after another set of downs isn't just brave, it's fanciful. Roll the dice, and it comes up 12. Roll the dice again, and you've already "proven" another 12 will result?? Please. Much more likely the ensuing punt pins UM deep in their own territory.

As per the above, it took away a very high probability of winning in regulation.

It was a ticky-tacky make-up call. Whether it was a "blown" call is the question, not necessarily the answer.

Of course you're correct that the last penalty reversed a "match point." But the whole sequence of events stemmed from flawed officiating, leaving both teams with potentially valid claims. I thank HumRsky for recalling the fuller story and taking the time to post it.

Yikes! You must be one heck of a Buckeye Fan!

Fact remains Miami got screwed. I'm sure there were bogus calls earlier in other situations as well that could have resulted in a Miami FG. I'm not a Hurricane fan in the slightest, so I don't remember any exact screwjobs...other than the one that everyone outside of Columbus (and apparently wherever HumRsky resides) remembers as the horrendous call that cost Miami the title.

Did Ohio State have to vacate that title?

 

[pgb-ohio]

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Yikes! You must be one heck of a Buckeye Fan!

Define "one heck of a" fan. I try to be objective on the board, and reasonable at the stadium. I think I mostly succeed. Obviously others will have to be the judge of that. But here in Columbus if I get any flack, it's for not being partisan enough...

Fact remains Miami got screwed.

I still dissent on the conclusion, but do realize that no one's changing their mind at this late date.

I'm sure there were bogus calls earlier in other situations as well that could have resulted in a Miami FG.

"Earlier" is a horse of a different color. Over the course of the game, any number of breaks could have changed things -- for either team. I get that. But in most scenarios there's plenty of time to find a different way to win. At the time of the bad non-call, OSU had the game all but won with a fresh set of downs. Call it 95%+ in the bag. Even after the non-call, I wasn't that nervous. Then, the punt return. I clearly remember feeling that we had the game won, and that the game had likely been stolen from us. The feeling was very much analogous to what Hurricane fans have expressed over the years regarding the "match point" call.

I'm not a Hurricane fan in the slightest, so I don't remember any exact screwjobs...other than the one that everyone outside of Columbus (and apparently wherever HumRsky resides) remembers as the horrendous call that cost Miami the title.

I fully understand that the casual, neutral fan remembers only the ending. Years ago I watched a telecast of Michael Jordan winning an NBA Title on a buzzer beater. It was probably the one NBA game I watched all year, and yet the only thing I remember about it is the buzzer beater. I literally don't remember who the opposing team was, and I honestly don't care. That's the nature of a neutral viewing audience for championship games. Having a rooting experience is a fundamentally different experience. Of course the fan with a horse in the race remembers more. Much more.

Did Ohio State have to vacate that title?

Hmmm... thumbing through favorite sports memories of the 2000's... Nope, 2002 College Football Title still belongs to the Buckeyes...Let's spend a little more time here on memory lane... Oh, here's a good one: April 2005. Columbus, Ohio. Denver 4, North Dakota 1. Awesome job by Gwoz and the Pios!

 

[The Rube]

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I thought UND ruined college hockey.

Air Force did. Think about it.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Hmmm... thumbing through favorite sports memories of the 2000's... Nope, 2002 College Football Title still belongs to the Buckeyes...Let's spend a little more time here on memory lane... Oh, here's a good one: April 2005. Columbus, Ohio. Denver 4, North Dakota 1. Awesome job by Gwoz and the Pios!

I'm not sure you want to go down this road, but I prefer the 2000 Title game myself. Now where should I look for Ohio State's hockey titles? I'm not finding anything.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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I'm not sure you want to go down this road, but I prefer the 2000 Title game myself. Now where should I look for Ohio State's hockey titles? I'm not finding anything.

In Football, Ohio State has lots of advantages and wins too much. In Hockey, the role is reversed and we're underdogs. As a fan, I'm fine with either role. (Shrugs)

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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In Football, Ohio State has lots of advantages and wins too much. In Hockey, the role is reversed and we're underdogs. As a fan, I'm fine with either role. (Shrugs)

No worries pgb...I was just giving you a hard time. I'm a Clemson fan and had a good time with some friends who are Buckeyes during the Orange Bowl.

Speaking of Clemson...the Tigers are a 17 point underdog next Saturday at Florida State in what is essentially the ACC Championship Game. Hopefully Clemson plays well and can keep it close.