2013 NCAA Frozen Four Championship Game: Boston University vs Minnesota

[D2D]

Re: 2013 NCAA Frozen Four Championship Game: Boston University vs Minnesota

If you watched that game and somehow think BU got jobbed by the refs, I have no idea what to tell you. Add up all of the calls and non-calls and, in aggregate, BU should consider themselves fortunate.

One in particular bothered me when they should have called a major for checking from behind and the BU player was only given two minutes. A very dangerous hit that could have resulted in serious injury - it was MUCH worse than McMillan's check on the BC player and she got 5.

 

[Blackbeard]

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If you watched that game and somehow think BU got jobbed by the refs, I have no idea what to tell you. Add up all of the calls and non-calls and, in aggregate, BU should consider themselves fortunate.

As was clear, I was only referring to that one call.

I believe several of the non calls occurred in the third period. I don't believe that it was lopsided in that regard.

 

[Blackbeard]

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Just watched the UM short handed goal again. Sperry hesitated for some reason after the puck hit her in the left upper chest area. Contrary to what Mleczko indicated at the time, with the advantage of replay on command, it did not look like Sperry thought the puck was coming out from behind the net on the other side since her head did not move at all in that direction. That hesitation caused her not to recover back to her post and Brandt's shot came quickly off the back boards and bounced in off of Sperry's left pad and that was that. The play started on a miscued pass by Tutino in the neutral zone.

Seems to me that that was the most important goal in the game even though BU scored immediately afterward on a missed assignment by Bozek.

For those interested the action starts at the 1:48 minute mark of the first period.

http://www.ncaa.com/video#!icehocke...key-minnesota-wins-national-championship-reca

 

[Eeyore]

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As was clear, I was only referring to that one call.

If it's the only call you respond to and you respond to it multiple times, then you are effectively saying that it is representative of the game.

 

[zoofer]

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Eeyore, I felt that Minne got away with a lot of interference/ blocking during the game....I'm all for contact in the girls game while no checking but on the Tutino check, I thought both girls were hustling for the puck....both lost their balance so for me equal hit...on Brandt's goal she played it perfect! That was a goal scorer's goal..totally!

 

[Bumbles]

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Proud of BU for giving it their all. UM was just too much. After struggling in the first two games, the Gophers really came to play today. The all important first goal really got them going and there was no looking back from there.

A lot of things we can point at and say would have changed the complexion of the game in BU's favor but really no point. Gophers are undefeated in the season for a reason. Congrats all around.

 

[OnMAA]

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If it's the only call you respond to and you respond to it multiple times, then you are effectively saying that it is representative of the game.

No. Poor conclusion/analysis. If someone brings up ONE "debatable" call that in their opinion has an impact on the game, that does not represent the total reffing in that game. It just means that one call at a key moment can tilt/change the momentum of a game. Does not imply that the whole game was poorly reffed, or that the reffing was one sided.

 

[Blackbeard]

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If it's the only call you respond to and you respond to it multiple times, then you are effectively saying that it is representative of the game.

Don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. Obviously, it's yours but it certainly isn't mine.

And "multiple times"?...I referred to it after it happened and then again, glancingly, after the game. You make it sound like I was beating it to death.

I've already told you that I didn't think that the reffing was lopsided. How much more clearly could I have stated it?

 

[Blackbeard]

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No. Poor conclusion/analysis. If someone brings up ONE "debatable" call that in their opinion has an impact on the game, that does not represent the total reffing in that game. It just means that one call at a key moment can tilt/change the momentum of a game. Does not imply that the whole game was poorly reffed, or that the reffing was one sided.

This.

 

[ARM]

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I've already told you that I didn't think that the reffing was lopsided.

Live, I thought it was. It reminded me of the NBA where they try to help the trailing team back into the game. After letting a blatant interference at center on BU go uncalled while they were on the PP, they later chose to call a nickel-dime bump along the rail in the third. Even some of their non-penalty related calls were off. A Minnesota player gloved the puck down in the defensive zone, a teammate saw this, so she didn't touch the puck. Nobody touched the puck. The ref blew the whistle anyway. It's only an infraction if you play it.

I saw the referees in the hallway after. I'f I hadn't known they were the officials and was just going to guess at their ages, I'd have put one at 14, 16 max. So outside of the fact that I suck at guessing ages, it is safe to conclude that these were likely a couple of the biggest games they had ever officiated. As such, I'll cut them some slack.

 

[Blackbeard]

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I saw the referees in the hallway after. I'f I hadn't known they were the officials and was just going to guess at their ages, I'd have put one at 14, 16 max. So outside of the fact that I suck at guessing ages, it is safe to conclude that these were likely a couple of the biggest games they had ever officiated. As such, I'll cut them some slack.

Wouldn't the NCAA have tried to insure that they had the most experienced officials calling all three games?

 

[robertearle]

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Wouldn't the NCAA have tried to insure that they had the most experienced officials calling all three games?

The box score at WCHA.com says the refs were Bryan Hicks and Cam Lynch. The internet tells me that both are ECAC refs and that Lynch is 22 years old (!) who did the semi-final between Wisconsin and BC last year. I was at that game, and don't remember the refereeing particularly, one way or another. Watching the web stream yesterday (and speaking as a Badger fan), I thought they did a not-very-good job in general, and did make calls that would have helped the trailing team get back in; but refs tend to do that a lot, consciously or otherwise.

http://www.ecachockey.com/men/officials/Hicks_Bryan

http://www.wickedlocal.com/somervil...s-Lynch-refs-womens-Frozen-Four#axzz2OZWjeH6m

 

[robertearle]

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Looking back at the box score for that UW-BC game last year, I do recall the refs being a little too 'active', but evenly so; 14 penalties total, 7 each way.

 

[zoofer]

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ARM, that hand pass non-play was whistled because the Minny player chose not to touch the puck so to speed up the game.....then again, they never call a fast whistle on holding the puck against the boards...to keep the play going so go figure

 

[ARM]

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ARM, that hand pass non-play was whistled because the Minny player chose not to touch the puck so to speed up the game...

Maybe, but blowing a whistle doesn't speed up anything. The nearest BU player was right there, not a zone away. I've never seen that called that way before, although admittedly, it wasn't a violation of any kind in the defensive zone in previous years.

 

[Eeyore]

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Maybe, but blowing a whistle doesn't speed up anything. The nearest BU player was right there, not a zone away. I've never seen that called that way before, although admittedly, it wasn't a violation of any kind in the defensive zone in previous years.

Actually, the same crew blew the same call on Friday, too.

 

[OnMAA]

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Maybe, but blowing a whistle doesn't speed up anything. The nearest BU player was right there, not a zone away. I've never seen that called that way before, although admittedly, it wasn't a violation of any kind in the defensive zone in previous years.

I recall hearing somewhere there is a "newer" version of the rule with moving/covering the puck with your glove. This year it is definitely called more stringently in the NHL. Not sure if the college game adapted the same or not, or if the situation being discussed falls under that rule.

 

[Eeyore]

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Bad call on Warren(?) in the last couple minutes of the second period...UM got a big break there since they capitalized on it. That's a shame in a game this important.

Now that I'm watching the replay I've figured out which penalty you meant. It was a good call. The announcers never told you what the penalty actually was and the camera angle didn't catch it. The call was elbowing and Cardella caught Terry right in the side of the head.

 

[Blackbeard]

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Now that I'm watching the replay I've figured out which penalty you meant. It was a good call. The announcers never told you what the penalty actually was and the camera angle didn't catch it. The call was elbowing and Cardella caught Terry right in the side of the head.

I disagree...still a bad call. The ref's view is completely blocked by Terry's body...he just guessed. The collision may have affected his call because both were speeding when Terry's path crossed Cardella's path like two freight trains colliding but Terry's position was the weaker of the two so she took more of the brunt of the collision. Cardella's left hand is down by her knee and Terry's head is quite low.

I also want to mention with all this talk of BC's speed leading up to the semi vs UM...apart from UM fans, has anyone ever noticed Terry and Kortum! What are those two on? If they could bottle it they wouldn't need their degrees.

Terry gets tripped up in the neutral zone and ends up turning in her zone about 12 feet back of Doyle who is on the blue line but gets the jump on Doyle's turn. A few seconds later with the camera panned down to the BU end the first skater to come into the frame is Terry and she's about 6 feet ahead of Doyle!!!! Blazing speed!

On her semi breakaway a minute or two earlier Kortum displayed similar speed (as well as a brilliant move at high speed)...this access to the game with replay on command helps one appreciate the game even more.

Speed will neutralize or render virtually useless other advantages that your opponent may have in almost any sport.

Really nice to watch. Using your advantage to its maximum.

 

[Eeyore]

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I disagree...still a bad call. The ref's view is completely blocked by Terry's body...he just guessed. The collision may have affected his call because both were speeding when Terry's path crossed Cardella's path like two freight trains colliding but Terry's position was the weaker of the two so she took more of the brunt of the collision. Cardella's left hand is down by her knee and Terry's head is quite low.

If he just guessed he did a good job of guessing correctly as to what happened.

I also want to mention with all this talk of BC's speed leading up to the semi vs UM...apart from UM fans, has anyone ever noticed Terry and Kortum! What are those two on? If they could bottle it they wouldn't need their degrees.

Kelly Terry should be packaged up and delivered to the U.S. Patent Office as evidence that there is such a thing as a perpetual motion machine.