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2013 Early Departures

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Tipsy McStagger said:
Uh, nope you typed it twice.
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Yup. So what? The goal of higher education (the "C" in NCAA) is exactly that: "Collegiate" = higher education; not bigger contracts with the NHL, NFL,NBA, WFL, PGA, IHRA, or what have you - who couldn't give less of a hoot about education.
I'm still puzzled by the huge gulf between playoff DI NCAA hockey teams with LOTS of pro hockey draft picks and DI NCAA hockey teams in the current Frozen Four, who average less than three NHL picks per team? Bad scouts or bad NCAA hockey?
 
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Osorojo said:
Bad scouts or bad NCAA hockey?
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There is parity across all of college hockey. It's part of what makes it the best sport there is. As teams with few NHL draft picks make more and more Frozen Fours, more and more high-end recruits will end up going to those schools.
 
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Bonin21 said:
Um, what? Who are the 15 NFL drafted players?


He was a junior so it's considered an early departure.

Kind of been quiet the past few days. I guess that's a good thing.
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Noted, I had thought I remembered hearing he was a senior late in the season when they were on a FCS tv game.
 
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Osorojo said:
Yup. So what? The goal of higher education (the "C" in NCAA) is exactly that: "Collegiate" = higher education; not bigger contracts with the NHL, NFL,NBA, WFL, PGA, IHRA, or what have you - who couldn't give less of a hoot about education.
I'm still puzzled by the huge gulf between playoff DI NCAA hockey teams with LOTS of pro hockey draft picks and DI NCAA hockey teams in the current Frozen Four, who average less than three NHL picks per team? Bad scouts or bad NCAA hockey?
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You said "Twice? Nah" then you said I need to have my vision checked. So, that's what.

Your question about the gulf between teams with lots of picks and the F4 teams with few picks seems like a question you could figure out yourself if you were a Cornell graduate. But i am guessing it is a rhetorical question and you think that it is bad hockey and once again you puzzle me with your continued prescence on this site.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
You said "Twice? Nah" then you said I need to have my vision checked. So, that's what.

Your question about the gulf between teams with lots of picks and the F4 teams with few picks seems like a question you could figure out yourself if you were a Cornell graduate. But i am guessing it is a rhetorical question and you think that it is bad hockey and once again you puzzle me with your continued prescence on this site.
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Anything that doesn't involve clutch and grab with a little diving thrown in is bad hockey to Bear Red.
 
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DU sophomore D-man Scott Mayfield signed with the Isles. Thought he looked huge against the Gophers this year.
 
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Bonin21 said:
Per Schlossman, sounds like Forbort is gone.
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I wonder how successful the LA Kings will be in negotiations with their four juniors?
Forbort at NoDak
Shore at Denver
Mersch at Wisconsin
Dowd at St. Cloud (two weeks)
 
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alnike said:
I wonder how successful the LA Kings will be in negotiations with their four juniors?
Forbort at NoDak
Shore at Denver
Mersch at Wisconsin
Dowd at St. Cloud (two weeks)
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Pretty good group. Who would think Forbort might project the worst.
 
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alnike said:
I wonder how successful the LA Kings will be in negotiations with their four juniors?
Forbort at NoDak
Shore at Denver
Mersch at Wisconsin
Dowd at St. Cloud (two weeks)
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Pretty sure they'll get Shore. I thought Shore would leave after this season even before Gwoz got the sack. He's not NHL ready, though. I think that if he's in Manchester all of next season, he'll be doing well.
 
Re: 2013 Early Departures

alnike said:
I wonder how successful the LA Kings will be in negotiations with their four juniors?
Forbort at NoDak
Shore at Denver
Mersch at Wisconsin
Dowd at St. Cloud (two weeks)
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Mersch said publicly he's staying at Wisconsin. In the past week, the Kings started pushing hard to sign him, but I've heard he's sticking to his original decision.
 
Re: 2013 Early Departures

Tipsy McStagger said:
You said "Twice? Nah" then you said I need to have my vision checked. So, that's what.

Your question about the gulf between teams with lots of picks and the F4 teams with few picks seems like a question you could figure out yourself if you were a Cornell graduate. But i am guessing it is a rhetorical question and you think that it is bad hockey and once again you puzzle me with your continued prescence on this site.
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Tipsy:

Is it my "presence" or "prescience" which troubles you? No matter. The fact is that this year's Minnesota roster included 15 draft picks, North Dakota 14, Notre Dame 12, Michigan 11, and Wisconsin 9, while in the Frozen Four SCSU had 5 draft picks, Yale 4, Quinnipiac 3, and U. Mass Lowell 3. This seems a significant variation to me, one which cannot be explained by a simple excuse such as "parity." If drafted and undrafted players are at parity why don't the pros fire their scouts and buy a dart board?

College hockey programs devote a great deal of time and money to recruiting drafted players, and fans obsess incessantly over signing top draft picks. If parity is the rule, then why all the fuss? I hoped a serious response would enlighten me, or at least provide some credible alternatives to consider: perhaps different rules, or different coaching, or different motivation? My Alma Mater taught me to seek reason, not belittle the education of others.
 
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Osorojo said:
Tipsy:

Is it my "presence" or "prescience" which troubles you? No matter. The fact is that this year's Minnesota roster included 15 draft picks, North Dakota 14, Notre Dame 12, Michigan 11, and Wisconsin 9, while in the Frozen Four SCSU had 5 draft picks, Yale 4, Quinnipiac 3, and U. Mass Lowell 3. This seems a significant variation to me, one which cannot be explained by a simple excuse such as "parity." If drafted and undrafted players are at parity why don't the pros fire their scouts and buy a dart board?

College hockey programs devote a great deal of time and money to recruiting drafted players, and fans obsess incessantly over signing top draft picks. If parity is the rule, then why all the fuss? I hoped a serious response would enlighten me, or at least provide some credible alternatives to consider: perhaps different rules, or different coaching, or different motivation? My Alma Mater taught me to seek reason, not belittle the education of others.
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If someone is drafted and how high they are drafted does not equate to how good people think they will be in college. Its an (often inaccurate) indication of how good of a professional prospect they are. Garrett Roe was drafted in the last round of the NHL draft, yet if it was a "how good will they be in college" draft, he'd have been a first or second round pick. Yet Oliver Lauridsen was also drafted in the last round of the draft, and that was after a TERRIBLE freshman year. Why? Bc he was huge and was still adjusting from European to North American hockey.

How many draft picks doesn't mean how many good college players you have... it means how many guys were at one point thought to be prospects for the pros.
 
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