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2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

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MountieBoyOz said:
It was unintentional. And you know the NCAA is not one to keep things even.
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:)

Not part of this thread, but since you're here, any obit yet on Paula Roll?? I can't make it for the funeral, but if there is a place to donate, I'd like to.
 
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Man this Johnny Football story seems to be entirely media created. Why does any of this matter?
 
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Biddco said:
Man this Johnny Football story seems to be entirely media created. Why does any of this matter?
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It's the Heisman Trophy winner.
In college football.
In the state of Texas.
In the SEC.

And you wonder why ESPN <strike>needs</strike> wants it to matter?
 
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Biddco said:
Man this Johnny Football story seems to be entirely media created. Why does any of this matter?
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I think people see writing on the wall on this one. Whether it is Hill at LSU or Manziel at A&M, we hear about "those two incidents" and generally figure "what's the big deal, a 20 year-old did something dumb...wow".

But, people closer to these situations know if these events are atypical or just the tip of the iceberg...In my opinion, if a kid with a decent sense of judgment makes a mistake, then it might be a bit much to turn it into a federal case...if the kid has made several bad decisions, some of which we don't know about, I think writers might be prone to start foreshadowing.

The guy McLain that recently retired from the NFL, he just lacked judgment and was consistently finding himself in trouble...that would be different than if RG3 got a DUI or slugged a guy who accosted his wife. Doesn't mean RG3 won't be in trouble again, but the articles wouldn't have the ominous tone.

Lastly, this also reminds me of a pending prize fight, writers know if one of the guys is out late, not training as hard and is 10 overweight...they know he might pull it off, but they start dropping clues as to what they think could happen...I think people are adding up the 'doesn't live on campus', bar fight, partying, missed camp times etc as a brewing problem...not just the indiscretions of a 20 year old. 14 year old kids murder people, I don't think 20 year olds get the latitude they used to.
 
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joecct said:
Very interesting.... http://www.cornnation.com/2013/7/18/4532264/why-college-football-will-be-dead-within-20-years
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I strongly disagree with the premise. Even if college enrollments plummet in general due to MOOC, it will be the lower-tier and regional universities who go bankrupt, not the ~120 FBS schools. For a significant number of the FBS schools, there are huge segments of the fan population who never took a single course from the school, on-line or otherwise. That crowd does not care whether the on-campus enrollment for Bio 101 is 1,000 or 50. As long as an entity called "State U" exists in any form, it will have a fanbase that is more than adequate to keep the football program solvent.
 
LynahFan said:
I strongly disagree with the premise. Even if college enrollments plummet in general due to MOOC, it will be the lower-tier and regional universities who go bankrupt, not the ~120 FBS schools. For a significant number of the FBS schools, there are huge segments of the fan population who never took a single course from the school, on-line or otherwise. That crowd does not care whether the on-campus enrollment for Bio 101 is 1,000 or 50. As long as an entity called "State U" exists in any form, it will have a fanbase that is more than adequate to keep the football program solvent.
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I think this is a better prediction, schools with billion dollar endowments, that bring in hundreds of millions in research money won't be the first to fall. The small, over-leveraged schools that provide low value for the money will be the first to lose business.

State schools won't perish. You'll see more schools drop football due to economics in the BU/NU/Hofstra strata...schools that don't need football, don't get applications or revenue from football and can fill the 65 seats with paying customers.

Schools with high end amenities that cost a ton and are due to be paid off via future tuition, those schools need to start planning.
 
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pirate said:
I think this is a better prediction, schools with billion dollar endowments, that bring in hundreds of millions in research money won't be the first to fall. The small, over-leveraged schools that provide low value for the money will be the first to lose business.

State schools won't perish. You'll see more schools drop football due to economics in the BU/NU/Hofstra strata...schools that don't need football, don't get applications or revenue from football and can fill the 65 seats with paying customers.

Schools with high end amenities that cost a ton and are due to be paid off via future tuition, those schools need to start planning.
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Yeah, about any school that has a medical school, which is something that just requires a lot of hands on learning will probably be fine, but I would worry about the schools that don't even have anything close to health science curriculum.
 
bigmrg74 said:
Yeah, about any school that has a medical school, which is something that just requires a lot of hands on learning will probably be fine, but I would worry about the schools that don't even have anything close to health science curriculum.
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Good point, the liberal arts school charging $58k a year to teach the humanities will be in danger. That was fine when their only students were the offspring of ultra-wealthy families that didn't need to work...but kids borrowing $30k a year to study something with no job market will not play well in future glossy brochures.

Those schools tend not to have big football programs but if times start getting tough, football will be one of the first sports to go...expensive, concussions, fewer players wanting to play.
 
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pirate said:
Good point, the liberal arts school charging $58k a year to teach the humanities will be in danger. That was fine when their only students were the offspring of ultra-wealthy families that didn't need to work...but kids borrowing $30k a year to study something with no job market will not play well in future glossy brochures.

Those schools tend not to have big football programs but if times start getting tough, football will be one of the first sports to go...expensive, concussions, fewer players wanting to play.
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Yep, over on the D2Football.com boards, there's a lot of talk there about how these changes are going to decimate small college football. The Big D1-A programs up to say the MAC level programs aren't going to have to worry about it much, as they're all big state schools with Donors and alumni out the wazoo, and will always have people lining up to go there for the college experience. But some smaller regional school like say Northern Michigan might have a whole lot of problems with keeping their athletic department afloat. Not to mention all the problems they could be looking at with finding a league to compete in as well if other schools opt to ax their athletic department or they simply go bankrupt and fold.

That was the case with St. Pauls College a few years back. They folded their football program a little bit before the start of the season because they didn't have the money to buy helmets and pads, and I believe they made it official that they're not having classes this year and they have a for sale sign on their campus now. They wasn't a really big school, but that could be the harsh reality coming at a lot of schools in the future with less on campus bodies to support the bricks and the mortar there.
 
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